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Question about negative equity and insurance write-offs on a leased vehicle

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Question about negative equity and insurance write-offs on a leased vehicle

Hello everyone.

I have a rather complex question that seems to be more of an unknown issue to a lot of vehicle buyers who do not realize what happens when rolling in negative equity from a previous vehicle into a new car lease.

I was wondering if someone here could explain the circumstances in the following scenario:

1) You roll in a lien of $6,500 from your previous vehicle into a 36 month lease on a new vehicle.
2) You paid $5000 cash to cover the payment increase difference on your lease, effectively paying an additional $1500 on your lease but negotiating to a fair monthly capitalized cost/monthly lease payment number.

Let’s say hypothetically the car gets declared a total loss due to an accident, theft or natural disaster by an insurance company.

Is it true that they will only pay for the market value of the car, and ONLY if they have a depreciation waiver (OPCF43) and/or if the lease company (Honda) has Gap Insurance (which they do), they will pay off the remainder of what the value of the lease payments are + the residual cost. I have been told that you would still need to pay $6,500 to cover the original lien cost difference.

Somebody please help clarify this. Thank you!
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Mar 23, 2008
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That seems obvious to me. The insurance company is insuring the value of the vehicle, not what you owe. For example, if you were in an insured accident towards the end of the lease/loan so you only owed $500, the insurance company is still going to pay out the full replacement cost, not just the $500 still owing.

Just another hazard of underwater car loans...

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The lease payments and or residual cost are irrelevant. The policy pays Actual Cash value (market value at time of loss) or if you have waiver of depreciation lowest of MSRP, Bill of Sale (and in some provinces replacement cost meaning the price of a same vehicle today including discounts dealer promotions etc)

This is paid to the lease company since they “own “ the vehicle. How much you owe for the reminder of a lease or finance period is not relevant.
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Why a down vote? The op has the right to ask, it's not like they did something wrong. And informed people chimed in. Up to compensate.
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OP would be on the hook for $6500, the down payment dropped the price of the entire vehicle. OP should have used the $5000 and rolled in $1500.
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So because it's a Honda, the lease will just end and you won't owe anything on it. However the down payment to cover the negative equity is interesting. If you get replacement value they ask what the value of the car was. I don't ever recall being asked what if any negative equity was rolled in. I wonder if you just ask if you can bump the value of car by 5k over msrp if this would do it and you'd be covered for that as well. Of course your premium would be slightly higher.
Last edited by aleks on Feb 13th, 2020 3:43 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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aleks wrote: So because it's a Honda, the lease will just end and you won't owe anything on it. However the down payment to cover the negative equity is interesting. If you get replacement value they ask what the value of the car was. I don't ever recall being asked what if any negative equity was rolled in. I wonder if you just ask if you can bump the value of car buy 5k over msrp if this would do it and you'd be covered for that as well. Of course your premium would be slightly higher.
Won't work. If you look at the Depreciation waiver, it reads:
2.2 The most we will pay is the lowest of the following amounts:
ƒ The actual purchase price of the automobile and its equipment
ƒ The manufacturer’s suggested list price of the automobile and its equipment on the original date of
purchase, or
ƒ The cost of replacing the automobile with a new automobile of the same make and model, similarly
equipped.
They pay the LOWEST of what you paid, MSRP of original vehicle, or MSRP of new. Bold in above quote added by me.

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