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Quickest way kids to own a house - which accounts to invest in first?

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Quickest way kids to own a house - which accounts to invest in first?

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To clarify, the intent is a down-payment on a house for them to rent out.

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Hey all, I was just wondering what everyone's thoughts are on this plan or if there is a better way to do it. I'm thinking about which account my kids should invest in first in order to buy a house the earliest they can.
  • Get a job at 16 years old
  • Max their RRSP. Reinvest all money they get back the following year from taxes
  • Max their TFSA
A friend of mine suggested doing the TFSA first because that gives him more flexibility with what to do with the money. However, that's not the goal. TFSA is great but I'm thinking the RRSP comes with the benefit of reinvesting the money you get back - it will compound that much quicker (granted, this will probably be a small amount).


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Another factor is one of them has an RDSP. The government matches this 1:1 up to $1K per year. This is meant to be used at age 65. However, he could take it out early as long as we have stopped contributing for 10 years. So if we stop at 15 years old, he can take the money out at 25 years old. At this point, there would be $30K ($15 us/$15 government) with all those years of growth.

What do you think is a good age to buy a home? 20 years old is nice but if we stay invested for 10 more years, he'll have that much more at 30. Except where do you stop? If he invests until he's 30 years old, he'll have so much more at 40 years old, etc... The best return is for him to just leave this alone, contribute $1K per year and live life normally. Then at 65, boom, so much more money on top of what, I hope, he'll already be invested in.

What are your thoughts? and thanks!
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OP, you know how the RRSP accounts offer advantage when the marginal taxation when decumulating is lower than when contributing. A job at age 16 is unlikely to result in a high marginal tax savings rate. Would it not be better to save that room until later in life when there is higher income?
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If the goal is to buy a house as soon as possible an RRSP should win. It allows one to take a $35K HBP withdrawal to buy a house. Thus the downpayment is available sooner as you are using before tax dollars unlike a TFSA. You are essentially borrowing the government's share of your RRSP as well to put towards the downpayment. By government's share I mean the tax owing back to the government one day when the RRSP is eventually depleted.
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will888 wrote: OP, you know how the RRSP accounts offer advantage when the marginal taxation when decumulating is lower than when contributing. A job at age 16 is unlikely to result in a high marginal tax savings rate. Would it not be better to save that room until later in life when there is higher income?
So your suggesting it's more profitable to use an RRSP later in life when there is higher income - that may be true. But the argument then is, is that worth sacrificing for the opportunity to get your first home quicker? But to really answer that, you need to know how much a 16 year old will get back from his RRSP contributions, and how much will that compound to, each year, if done for say, 9 years (assuming we're looking to buy a house at 25).

If they're able to buy a house at 25, that investment might be worth a lot more than the RRSP savings if he contributes later in life. Or maybe that amount is no minimal that it's better to just use a TFSA first and leave the RRSP for later in life when their income is higher.

My step-daughter is 28 years old. She, and almost all of her friends are renting (and not contributing to their RRSP) and I don't see them saving up for a house. So I'm thinking, step1, get my kids to own a house. Once they do that, then lets think of other stuff like investing in an RRSP later in life when there is higher income - OR maybe I'm wrong. What's better if it was one or the other: owning property or investing in an RRSP? I'd guess if it had to be one of the other, own a house is better.
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Daddy bank. :)

My 15 years old already asking me to pay for her first starter home when she turn 21. Like condo or a small Town house.
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Is this buying a house as early as possible for some specific reason?

I would think 10 years later, the world could be much different from now. Even this year is much different from 2019: you don't need go to office to work, I have a colleague who used to live in downtown Toronto (rent) and after work remotely, he moved to Montreal with his parents and work there. We didn't even know until he told us. When your kids grow up, how do you know where they want to live?

Also, if they get married, they will buy a house , might be in Canada or foreign country and he will only pay half for house

For my son(he is only 11, so not there yet), I will focus on how to maximize his wealth instead of a specific purchase

But realistically, as @cheapshopper said, daddy bank
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smartie wrote: Is this buying a house as early as possible for some specific reason?

...When your kids grow up, how do you know where they want to live?

Also, if they get married, they will buy a house , might be in Canada or foreign country and he will only pay half for house
I was thinking they could buy a house to rent out - they are more than welcome to live at home (assuming they're good kids, listen to our rules still, etc...). And now that I said that (or types it), I wonder if the first time home buyers programs has restrictions on this. Maybe you need to live there for 1 year to do it?
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MrMikeDD wrote: I was thinking they could buy a house to rent out - they are more than welcome to live at home (assuming they're good kids, listen to our rules still, etc...). And now that I said that (or types it), I wonder if the first time home buyers programs has restrictions on this. Maybe you need to live there for 1 year to do it?
Thanks

So what you meant is housing as an investment, at least at the beginning? Also when you said buy a house, you refer to enough down payment instead of full price?
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smartie wrote: Thanks

So what you meant is housing as an investment, at least at the beginning? Also when you said buy a house, you refer to enough down payment instead of full price?
I'm sorry haha Yes to all of that. I apologize for not being clear. Yes, a house to rent out and only the down payment.
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Sounds like you're planning a way for them to earn their way as opposed to gifting them a down payment? If so that's commendable. I purchased an investment property a year before my first child was born with the intent of gifting/selling it so they could fund their first homes. Easier said than done nowadays though.
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MrMikeDD wrote: So your suggesting it's more profitable to use an RRSP later in life when there is higher income - that may be true. But the argument then is, is that worth sacrificing for the opportunity to get your first home quicker? But to really answer that, you need to know how much a 16 year old will get back from his RRSP contributions, and how much will that compound to, each year, if done for say, 9 years (assuming we're looking to buy a house at 25).

If they're able to buy a house at 25, that investment might be worth a lot more than the RRSP savings if he contributes later in life. Or maybe that amount is no minimal that it's better to just use a TFSA first and leave the RRSP for later in life when their income is higher.

My step-daughter is 28 years old. She, and almost all of her friends are renting (and not contributing to their RRSP) and I don't see them saving up for a house. So I'm thinking, step1, get my kids to own a house. Once they do that, then lets think of other stuff like investing in an RRSP later in life when there is higher income - OR maybe I'm wrong. What's better if it was one or the other: owning property or investing in an RRSP? I'd guess if it had to be one of the other, own a house is better.
How much can a school age kid earn each year? If your kids plan on post secondary education, they are not going to be working full time until early 20s which leaves only a few years to seriously add to the RRSP. Most of these earnings will be at the lowest tax bracket and not that efficient for RRSP tax deduction. Do you really think that they would even accumulate up to $35,000 in the RRSP by age 25? Using RRSP savings to fund a home sacrifices what is supposedly a retirement plan for immediate gratification. So it seems counter intuitive. Depending on which part of the country you live in, $35,000 may amount to nothing in a home purchase. In Toronto, that is barely enough to cover the land transfer tax, lol. Long story short encourage use of the TFSA account as much as possible and store the RRSP contribution room for future considerations.
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cheapshopper wrote: Daddy bank. :)

My 15 years old already asking me to pay for her first starter home when she turn 21. Like condo or a small Town house.
I wish I was your kid. I would have a home and cars to fill the driveway before getting a first full time job. Smiling Face With Open Mouth
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My 22 year old son just bought his first house. He was able to pay all his university expenses through our RESP savings, scholarships and summer employment income. However, he did apply for and receive about $35k worth of student loans during this time that he used to max out his TFSA. When he graduated, he had more than enough savings to pay off his student loans, but chose to use that as a down payment on his house. He will have both a mortage payment and a student loan payment, but plans to offset this by renting out a portion of his house.
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cheapshopper wrote: Daddy bank. :)

My 15 years old already asking me to pay for her first starter home when she turn 21. Like condo or a small Town house.
Your kid is smart. She’ll be ahead of her peers! I wish I had this type of mentality when I was 15. Back then at age 15, all I think of is getting good grades and the only things I ask money for is cheap clothes!
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sushi604 wrote: Your kid is smart. She’ll be ahead of her peers! I wish I had this type of mentality when I was 15. Back then at age 15, all I think of is getting good grades and the only things I ask money for is cheap clothes!
At this time, i did not say yes.
I want she work hard and assume she get nothing from me, except education.
I am very up front to my kids: you focus in learning, I pay for your education. As a parents, this is my job prepare you for the real world. Your job is take the responsibility to learn and use the resources I gave you to equip yourself.

At the back of my plan which they don't know yet is I will give them a boots start of their life.

First thing is max out their TFSA once they hit 18 while they are still in school.
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I also agree that TFSA is the best place to start growing this money.
RRSP should be avoided till their income is much higher.
However, SOME people in their younger years have issues saving money and resist spending it. If your daughter needs forced discipline then the RRSP can provide this.
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Guess I'm old school but when I was 18 or 20 didn't know what I'd pursue for a job or where I'd reside so renting seemed like the only logical choice. I had roommates so it kept costs down. I mean at that age he/she may fall in love with someone from the other side of the country and move out there or get a job offer in some far away locale. Not sure perhaps you are in Toronto or Vancouver and know that he/she would never consider living anywhere else. As far as saving goes TFSA and non-registered, RRSP do it later when income is much higher if they don't have a defined benefit pension. If they do have a defined benefit pension don't do the RRSP at all. Plough the money into non-registered get 50% of your capital gain tax free, and TFSA of course.

RRSP is really overrated, it is good for people with a high income with no pension, in my mind if you aren't in that category don't bother with it.
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MrMikeDD wrote: Another factor is one of them has an RDSP. The government matches this 1:1 up to $1K per year. This is meant to be used at age 65. However, he could take it out early as long as we have stopped contributing for 10 years. So if we stop at 15 years old, he can take the money out at 25 years old.
It is hardly ever correct to stop RDSP contributions at 15. RDSP is designed as a retirement account and provides the best return when the accumulation continues for many years. It may be not possible to get all the potential $70K of the government match, but hey, why not take the free money.

Not sure how much you know of RDSP fine points, so just a few basics. Most importantly, when the beneficiary is over 18, their parents' income does not matter. It's rather likely the beneficiary's own income (+their spouse if any) will be below $91K/year at least for some years, so they can get a 200%/300% government match: $1.5K would attract a $3.5K from the government. Also, there is an additional $1K/year bond if the beneficiary's income is low, under $30K/year (or under $45K/year for a partial bond). It's a noticeable amount of cash on the table, should be considered even if it does not help with a home ownership.
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How could this "Buying house" lead into RDSP topic???

I think only very small amount of people are eligible for RDSP, no?
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yvrbanker wrote: It is hardly ever correct to stop RDSP contributions at 15. RDSP is designed as a retirement account and provides the best return when the accumulation continues for many years. It may be not possible to get all the potential $70K of the government match, but hey, why not take the free money.

Not sure how much you know of RDSP fine points, so just a few basics. Most importantly, when the beneficiary is over 18, their parents' income does not matter. It's rather likely the beneficiary's own income (+their spouse if any) will be below $91K/year at least for some years, so they can get a 200%/300% government match: $1.5K would attract a $3.5K from the government. Also, there is an additional $1K/year bond if the beneficiary's income is low, under $30K/year (or under $45K/year for a partial bond). It's a noticeable amount of cash on the table, should be considered even if it does not help with a home ownership.
Thank you very much for that explanation. I didn't know that about, when he turns 18 it will be his household income which will be under $98,040 - so he will get $3.5K for every $1.5K he puts in (I have since read more on the government website). OK, maybe his RDSP wont be beneficial for aiding him in home ownership. @cheapshopper that's where an RDSP came into a home ownership post - I read an RDSP is to "save for the long term financial security". I thought owning a house would make him more secure but I guess it really means "save for retirement".

So to answer my original post, we should just focus on TFSA for a down payment on a house. The RRSP deduction would be very minimal, combined with the fact he should use it when he has his "career" job for maximum benefit.
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