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RBC breaking variable mortgage for a lower rate?

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RBC breaking variable mortgage for a lower rate?

I currently get 1.8% on a 5 year variable. We signed this in like dec.

Now apparently we can get 1.5% for the same 5 year, but it will cost $5000 to break the contract to get the lower rate.

Is this legit? If our rate is already variable why are we paying a 3 month break fee to get a lower interest rate?

I feel like we got sharked during the mortgage process because how can the rate drop 0.3% from mid dec to now?
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Yes, RBC to still RBC. Its the same contact helping me out.

" Please see attached picture for your reference. Your penalty payment will be $5,023.59. If you would like to break your term and renew to 5 years variable rate at 1.5%, I can help you with that."
[OP]
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west wrote: How much is the mortgage amount? Based on the math if it’s more than 950k it sounds about right.
We have 1m + remaining

The 5k penalty is in line with the 3 month interest charge.

But my question is why are we being charged this break fee? Since our mortgage is already variable, when there is a lower rate shouldn't it be automatically passed on to us?
Last edited by lolbeast on Feb 16th, 2021 2:58 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Because your variable rate is based on prime rate. Prime rate didn’t drop in the last 2 months. The rate you got was prime -.65

Variable rate has gone down, banks are offer prime -.85 for example would give you a rate of 1.6

Check out the mortgage thread, tons of info there.
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[OP]
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west wrote: Because your variable rate is based on prime rate. Prime rate didn’t drop in the last 2 months. The rate you got was prime -.65

Variable rate has gone down, banks are offer prime -.85 for example would give you a rate of 1.6

Check out the mortgage thread, tons of info there.
Ah so the bank lowered the spread on new mortgages but prime didnt change.... Wow pretty clever
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Banks have been increasing the discount factor to prime progressively over the last few months. That is a fixed number you agreed to in your mortgage, only number that changes is Prime.

The initial approval I got from a bank in November was Prime minus 0.65% and the discount has just been getting better and better since then with some shopping and shrewd negotiation.

You probably can get much better than 1.5%. More like 1.3X% right now according to the broker thread. CIBC is doing 1.28% promotion right now. My final rate is 1.1X% for 30 year amortization.
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ozzie16 wrote: Banks have been increasing the discount factor to prime progressively over the last few months. That is a fixed number you agreed to in your mortgage, only number that changes is Prime.

The initial approval I got from a bank in November was Prime minus 0.65% and the discount has just been getting better and better since then with some shopping and shrewd negotiation.

You probably can get much better than 1.5%. More like 1.3X% right now according to the broker thread. CIBC is doing 1.28% promotion right now. My final rate is 1.1X% for 30 year amortization.
Thanks for letting me know, this is very good info!
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lolbeast wrote: Thanks for letting me know, this is very good info!
Speak to one of the brokers - TD has very good rates right now. Can also hook you up with my BMO and CIBC contacts who were great and entered into a bidding war for my mortgage.
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ozzie16 wrote: Banks have been increasing the discount factor to prime progressively over the last few months. That is a fixed number you agreed to in your mortgage, only number that changes is Prime.

The initial approval I got from a bank in November was Prime minus 0.65% and the discount has just been getting better and better since then with some shopping and shrewd negotiation.

You probably can get much better than 1.5%. More like 1.3X% right now according to the broker thread. CIBC is doing 1.28% promotion right now. My final rate is 1.1X% for 30 year amortization.
I had to show my NBC guy an email from CIBC offering 1.49% back on black friday. Dang these are good rates! I am always confused bybthe mtg rate thread cause the brokers rarely say who the lender is. Those brokers are very responsive though. Good on them!
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ozzie16 wrote: My final rate is 1.1X% for 30 year amortization.
Is this refinance or new mortgage? If refinance did you pay any expenses to change lender?
If it’s not a problem, can you pm me not to pollute the thread here?

Thank you!

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