"Pictures show me stopped..."
Darn old stills.... They gots to upgrade to video evidence.
Darn old stills.... They gots to upgrade to video evidence.
Sep 10th, 2021 1:26 pm
Sep 10th, 2021 1:27 pm
They did it in Harry Potter…KevinM56081 wrote: ↑ "Pictures show me stopped..."
Darn old stills.... They gots to upgrade to video evidence.
Sep 10th, 2021 2:01 pm
Sep 10th, 2021 2:07 pm
Sep 10th, 2021 2:32 pm
Can you re-post the the first 2 pics + the header on both? Need to see larger & clearer + both headers to see if you have a caseKyle12345 wrote: ↑ Hey,
Just got a red light camera ticket. None of the pictures show me proceeding through the intersection on a red light. The picture shows me stopped at the red light before the line. Second picture shows the intersection. Third picture shows the license place zoomed in from the first picture.
I actually stopped within the 4 seconds of the yellow. Light turned red while still stopped. And then turned right after it turned red.
What are your thoughts? If this is going to take hours and hours of my time, I might be better off paying it. But can they actually convict at court with just these pictures? Lol
Sep 10th, 2021 2:44 pm
Maybe OP is not lying but thinks he remembers what he did at that intersection. Really, who accurately remembers the details of everything we did when we were driving days or weeks earlier? If nothing significant happened, we probably don’t remember any detail at all.
Sep 10th, 2021 3:22 pm
Sep 10th, 2021 3:33 pm
The first photo in red light camera tickets is always going to show the car behind the stop line with the light showing red. You also typically get the speed of the car on the photo. The second photo shows them entering the intersection afterward. The funny thing is that the OP was going so fast on the right turn that the second frame didn't catch them.adams7 wrote: ↑ Maybe OP is not lying but thinks he remembers what he did at that intersection. Really, who accurately remembers the details of everything we did when we were driving days or weeks earlier? If nothing significant happened, we probably don’t remember any detail at all.
But what he “remembers” is actually formed from his incorrect misinterpretation of the red light camera photos. The photo sort of makes it look like he was stopped. But if we study the photos and the speed indicator we conclude he was moving fast around that corner, and the ticket is correct.
Need to consult a psychology professor who specializes in memory.
Sep 10th, 2021 3:53 pm
rfdPFthrowaway wrote: ↑
Exactly. Look at the opposing traffic. The left turning car barely moved between both photos yet the OPs car is completely out of frame already by the second photo. The left turning car probably saw OP trying to beat the red so it waited. The other cars that stopped for the red also barely moved. He must have taken that turn at a fast speed without stopping.
Guilty as charged.
Sep 10th, 2021 4:01 pm
You do realize the red light applies to all even those turning right prior to them actually proceeding past the line?motomondo wrote: ↑ One second. Just one second.
This is an bogus ticket unless it is the proper HTA section.
Proceed contrary to sign at intersection – Highway Traffic Act 144.9
Disobey sign – Highway Traffic Act 182.2
Disobey sign – Applicable municipal By-law
In other words... If the ticket says he ran the red light, then the ticket is wrong. Because he turned (I assume contrary to a posted sign).
EDIT: Also, if there is no posted sign indicating a right turn is not allowed during the red light, then what did the OP do wrong? Unless they have video, it is just assumptions.
Sep 10th, 2021 4:03 pm
Turning left, going straight, or turning right: vehicle must stop at red. Right turn on red can occur after coming to a full stop and if the way is clear & safe, and there is no signage prohibiting the turn.motomondo wrote: ↑ One second. Just one second.
This is an bogus ticket unless it is the proper HTA section.
Proceed contrary to sign at intersection – Highway Traffic Act 144.9
Disobey sign – Highway Traffic Act 182.2
Disobey sign – Applicable municipal By-law
In other words... If the ticket says he ran the red light, then the ticket is wrong. Because he turned (I assume contrary to a posted sign).
EDIT: Also, if there is no posted sign indicating a right turn is not allowed during the red light, then what did the OP do wrong? Unless they have video, it is just assumptions.
Sep 10th, 2021 4:05 pm
Not sure what you mean. I believe each ticket has to have the correct HTA section. One section does not "apply to all".
Sep 10th, 2021 4:07 pm
Folks, I am NOT arguing that the OP didn't break the rules. Not sayin' he is 100% innocent.
Sep 10th, 2021 4:08 pm
It is amazing how many people I see just roll through a right turn on a red light without stopping. Like a stop sign one is required to come to a complete stop before turning right on a red.
Sep 10th, 2021 4:09 pm
bubuski wrote: ↑I know this exact intersection at Heartland. Do you have a dashcam video footage to help exonorate you?
The still images show the other cars slowing down but no brake lights on yours. Unless you were the 1st to arrive and the light has been red for a while.
The car across from you turning left does not help. That lane does not have an advanced Green and the driver stopped past the line.
No dash cam unfortunately.engineered wrote: ↑ Can you let us see close ups of the photos?
Do you have dashcam video to prove your case?
Sep 10th, 2021 4:14 pm
at1212b wrote: ↑The issue was once it turned red, that's when the timer starts. Not how long you stopped before hand. You should have just sped through the yellow then you would have been safe.
When I see a red light camera, which I always watch out for like a hawk, and it turns red, I don't care, I stop for a full 3 seconds at least. I'm not even looking all the way left. Just stay in a bubble type thing. Then look left to see any cars coming.
I've had times where a car has been behind my ass and they don't stop and just tail me. I'm wondering if those cars get ticketed.
Yah but the problem is I didn’t see it turn yellow, I saw the yellow but was not sure when it changed so I decided to stop as I usually do if I miss the light changing due to looking at odometer, changing radio channels, looking at the time, etc.peteryorkuca wrote: ↑If you had ran the yellow, most likely you wouldn't have gotten a ticket. Problem here is your car was rolling when the camera was activated from yellow on red light. If you have stayed just a second on red, you would have been cleared.
Sep 10th, 2021 4:16 pm
Completely agree with you, these are dangerous practices.DaveTheDude wrote: ↑ It is amazing how many people I see just roll through a right turn on a red light without stopping. Like a stop sign one is required to come to a complete stop before turning right on a red.
Besides catching those that run straight through a red light the cameras also catch those who fail to stop when turning right on a red light.
Sep 10th, 2021 4:19 pm
1.) sry abt the wrong section post.CNeufeld wrote: ↑ So first off, there's a whole "Fighting your traffic ticket" thread, stickied at the top of this forum. You might want to browse through there (and this post belongs in there).
Second, you don't show the top of first image. Was there a header on there, showing your speed? Because I'm thinking it's what the others have indicated; you were travelling at a decent rate of speed when you got to the corner. It's a still-motion picture; even if you're moving it would look like you're stopped.
Third, another possibility is that you stopped on the wrong side of the stop line. The top picture looks like you might be across it. Sucks, but them's the breaks (if that's the case).
Fourth, realistically the only way you fight this and win is if you have dash-cam footage to dispute the photo radar evidence. However, that doesn't mean that you can't request a trial and negotiate a discount.
Fifth, one more option is that it was a "no right turn on red", but I don't see any signs for that in your pictures. Doesn't mean they don't exist, though, out of the camera frame.
C
Sep 10th, 2021 4:21 pm
LOOL, not gonna lie I thought abt it. Only cause these sorta posts usually get trashed haha but thought oh well instead haha.
Sep 10th, 2021 4:25 pm
engineered wrote: ↑ Can you let us see close ups of the photos?
Do you have dashcam video to prove your case?
I’ll post when I get home later today. But both headers had the same time showing 19:18 with no seconds or milliseconds?CanadianLurker wrote: ↑
Can you re-post the the first 2 pics + the header on both? Need to see larger & clearer + both headers to see if you have a case