Regrets over working with Woody Allen

Micelli_Illuminatti wrote: ↑ I hate virtue signalling soo much!

Then why do you do it in every thread you create?

He left his wife for his adopted daughter. I'm pretty sure every one knew he was a perv.

mr_raider wrote: ↑ He left his wife for his adopted daughter. I'm pretty sure every one knew he was a perv.

affair with her 21-year-old adopted daughter ? ... well she was 21 ... but perv to me anyway ...

Ojam wrote: ↑ Then why do you do it in every thread you create?

Ojam dear, I do not think virtue signalling means what you think it means. Or the terms triggered, and snowflake, for that matter. I get you don't like my views, fair enough.

My point or criticism here is that there is so much hypocrisy in Hollywood, especially among women. I applaud Margaret Atwood's piece in G & M, or G-d forbid, Margaret Wente's piece from two days ago, for pointing out the dangers of #metoo campaigns.

Which brings me back to Woody Allen, because it's such an obvious example. Stars who worked with him (and those in the past) only now wake up and realize what type of person he is/was? They had no clue, when they signed up? Will those "ashamed" returned the pay cheques they received? So much hypocrisy!

Ojam wrote: ↑ Then why do you do it in every thread you create?

Yeah, I'm also not sure you understand what virtue signalling is. It has to do with pandering fake righteousness in order to put your own reputation above those of "the others", when you are likely

a) a hypocrite who privately approved/s the action, or
b) don't care to begin with, but you want to win some public accolades and pats on the back because it's the "issue of the day"

I don't keep track of all of Micelli's threads, but I don't remember too much virtue signalling.

Oh, here's wikipedia's def:

Virtue signalling is the conspicuous expression of moral values done primarily with the intent of enhancing standing within a social group. The term was first used in signalling theory, to describe any behavior that could be used to signal virtue—especially piety among the religious.

Dictionary.cambridge.org:

an attempt to show other people that you are a good person, for example by expressing opinions that will be acceptable to them, especially on social media:

LeisureSuitL wrote: ↑ Yeah, I'm also not sure you understand what virtue signalling is. It has to do with pandering fake righteousness in order to put your own reputation above those of "the others", when you are likely

a) a hypocrite who privately approved/s the action, or
b) don't care to begin with, but you want to win some public accolades and pats on the back because it's the "issue of the day"

I don't keep track of all of Micelli's threads, but I don't remember too much virtue signalling.

Oh, here's wikipedia's def:


Dictionary.cambridge.org:

Then I offer a different definition:


https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alt-right_glossary


Virtue signalling is an appeal to motive that can refer to any condemnation of the positions of the far right. The term suggests that the condemner is just trying to look morally better ("signal their virtue") to other people. The term thus implies that nobody is really opposed to far right positions: they're just hating far-right positions for "ally points."

The term was popularised by James Bartholomew in an article in The Spectator, where he used it as a label for those who claim to support a cause but merely make a show of their supporting of it to others rather than doing anything which might bring about actual change.[110] Bartholomew's claim of inventing the phrase is false, however, since earlier uses have been found, including a thread on LessWrong from 2013.[111] It was later picked up by the alt-right and used as an ad hominem to the point of near-meaninglessness.


Emphasis mine.

The Woody Allen case resurfacing and getting traction is weird because it was investigated and dropped. I thought part of the investigation involved him taking a lie detector and passing. A lie detector test was offered to Mia Farrow, but she declined. I always thought the reason actors and other crew continued working with Woody was because of those results. However, a good chunk of the actors announcing their regrets are under 40 years old, so maybe they don't know the whole story. Or more likely they just like riding the wave of the vocal social meToo-ers and timesup-pers because it is the right thing to do...

mr_raider wrote: ↑ Then I offer a different definition:


https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alt-right_glossary


Virtue signalling is an appeal to motive that can refer to any condemnation of the positions of the far right. The term suggests that the condemner is just trying to look morally better ("signal their virtue") to other people. The term thus implies that nobody is really opposed to far right positions: they're just hating far-right positions for "ally points."

The term was popularised by James Bartholomew in an article in The Spectator, where he used it as a label for those who claim to support a cause but merely make a show of their supporting of it to others rather than doing anything which might bring about actual change.[110] Bartholomew's claim of inventing the phrase is false, however, since earlier uses have been found, including a thread on LessWrong from 2013.[111] It was later picked up by the alt-right and used as an ad hominem to the point of near-meaninglessness.


Emphasis mine.

Regardless of its origins, the current definition is quite common vs. the one you dug out of a very small corner of the internet. Not everything has to be the fault of the "alt-right". Virtue signalling is still pathetic.
Urban Dictionary
Oxford
Collins

It's officially part of the English language, and means what it means. Yes, it was only born a few years ago, but it is what it is, and the meanings are pretty common among actual dictionaries.

Sounds like the site you pointed to is using the diatribe as a way of crying about how virtue signalling was recognized as the pointless promotion and self-aggrandization that it is and called it out. Pretty pathetic definition that had to use the alt-right as a foil for its justification to say a phrase is "meaningless". Everything about that page simply screams an arrogant uber-progressive and smells heavily of smugness.

Take this one:

Cultural Marxism (also Cultural Bolshevism or Kulturbolschewismus, in the original German and frequently what the alt-right is talking about when they say "The System") is a conspiracy theory in which the Frankfurt School (a body of Marxist writings) and critical theory (critiques of society, with some origins in Marx's work) are the products of leftists' concerted efforts to (successfully) sneak communism into academia and culture at large. In turn, the conspiracy goes, modern gender/race/sexuality/etc. movements are ultimately grounded in these communist writings — and so they are communist themselves. The theory is absurd. The Frankfurt School was obscure and had a negligible impact on broader society. The methods used by social justice advocates — analyzing society through lenses of class/gender/race/etc. — long precede the Frankfurt school.

People who whine about Cultural Marxism often attribute it to a supposed International Jewish Conspiracy.

Notice how flippantly, and condescendingly they "analyze" this part? We see examples of Cultural Marxism all the time; political correctness was born from it, especially in the universities, and KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov is interviewed (vid) famously going into great detail on how to sneak communism into a democratic country.

I could read material that's supposed to be analytical, but this trash is simply condescending and childish...a Masters degree graduate with an inflated ego and a dictionary for big words. Complete garbage, and you could do much better.

I never really liked many of his movies, everyone always told me how great they were but I guess I didn't get his sense of humour.

The one where the guy was married to a sheep was pretty funny though.

LeisureSuitL wrote: ↑
I could read material that's supposed to be analytical, but this trash is simply condescending and childish...a Masters degree graduate with an inflated ego and a dictionary for big words. Complete garbage, and you could do much better.

The site may have its flaws, but it cuts to the heart. It astonishes me that posters on the internet who use words like virtue signalling and cultural Marxism seem to share some striking commonalities. Their posts are so predictable and reproducible that one wonders if they are being churned out by the same troll farm.

Suffice it to say I never found the necessity to use words like that in my daily conversation. Back in my day, we called equine feces horseshit.

I think the funniest thing about "virtue signaling" is when it is called out by people who do not live in the public eye.
Labelling it as such doesn't actually bring anything to the discussion - all it does is polarize, and often dumbs down discourse.

Calling out people in the entertainment industry for "virtue signaling" is like, in the words of Chris Rock, playing basketball with a ******** kid and calling them out for double dribble.

I prefer to believe that human behaviour is complex, and not always consistent.
Regret is something we are all capable of.
Instead of buying into the cynical framing of the narrative that is par for the course in "virtue signaling", I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that their decision to speak up is much more complex.

Piro21 wrote: ↑ All a lie detector does is measure stress. If you don't feel bad about what you did and can lie convincingly then they're useless.

I am not saying that the results of the investigation or lie detector test are 100% reliable. Just that back in the 90's it seemed like actors and other people in the industry rallied around Woody and supported his claim to innocence based on these results. The people in the industry that are announcing these regrets seem so caught up in the current movement that they don't even acknowledge that any sort of investigation ever occurred.

Micelli_Illuminatti wrote: ↑
Ojam dear, I do not think virtue signalling means what you think it means. Or the terms triggered, and snowflake, for that matter. I get you don't like my views, fair enough.

My point or criticism here is that there is so much hypocrisy in Hollywood, especially among women. I applaud Margaret Atwood's piece in G & M, or G-d forbid, Margaret Wente's piece from two days ago, for pointing out the dangers of #metoo campaigns.

Which brings me back to Woody Allen, because it's such an obvious example. Stars who worked with him (and those in the past) only now wake up and realize what type of person he is/was? They had no clue, when they signed up? Will those "ashamed" returned the pay cheques they received? So much hypocrisy!

LeisureSuitL wrote: ↑ Yeah, I'm also not sure you understand what virtue signalling is. It has to do with pandering fake righteousness in order to put your own reputation above those of "the others", when you are likely

a) a hypocrite who privately approved/s the action, or
b) don't care to begin with, but you want to win some public accolades and pats on the back because it's the "issue of the day"

I don't keep track of all of Micelli's threads, but I don't remember too much virtue signalling.

Oh, here's wikipedia's def:


Dictionary.cambridge.org:

"Good" is a POV, virtually all the OPs threads is espouses his own views as being better (more virtuous) then whatever news posting he has included. All his threads are the same. Ad in some terms like snowflakes, triggered or whatever the current in insult is to people that don't share his views and you have a thread from the OP.

shikotee wrote: ↑ I think the funniest thing about "virtue signaling" is when it is called out by people who do not live in the public eye.
Labelling it as such doesn't actually bring anything to the discussion - all it does is polarize, and often dumbs down discourse.

Calling out people in the entertainment industry for "virtue signaling" is like, in the words of Chris Rock, playing basketball with a ******** kid and calling them out for double dribble.

I prefer to believe that human behaviour is complex, and not always consistent.
Regret is something we are all capable of.
Instead of buying into the cynical framing of the narrative that is par for the course in "virtue signaling", I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that their decision to speak up is much more complex.

This, but sheep like the OP see all their favorite right wing personalities using these terms and then repeat them like parrots. It's hilarious, they don't have their own views, they just repeat the views of others. You know how I know an opinion that isn't actually worth addressing with any serious consideration? They use terms like virtue signaling, or snowflakes or triggered as ad hominem attacks. It's sad.