Rejected from YORKU as transfer student?

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Jul 4th, 2017 3:11 pm

vocabularylover [OP]: Newbie; Jul 3, 2017; 1 posts

Jul 4th, 2017 3:11 pm

Rejected from YORKU as transfer student?

I am freaking out and about to have a mental breakdown.

I have a long academic history, and will try my best to explain it.

I was accepted to UofT in 2013 and was majoring in Political Science. However, in my second year, I was expelled due to a terrible plagiarism mistake. I applied to Ryerson, and thankfully was admitted. However, I switched to Criminology as my program and all the courses i took were to satisfy the Crim degree requirements. However, my GPA fell below a 2.67 and they kicked me out of the program--back into Poli Sci. I have absolutely NO courses that can count towards the Poli Sci degree and I may have to spend an additional four years just to complete the degree. My program advisor suggested I apply elsewhere in hopes that they would accept my Crim credits and speed up graduation a bit.

However, I just received news that York rejected my application. I applied as a transfer students and I do no not meet their criteria.

What am I supposed to do now? Should I re-apply as a mature student? Should I flee the country? Does anyone have any advice?

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Jul 4th, 2017 4:22 pm

woof122: Newbie; Oct 21, 2014; 71 posts; 28 upvotes; Toronto, ON

Jul 4th, 2017 4:22 pm

It may not seem like it but the rejection is a blessing. Don't do any general bachelors. My suggestion would be to apply for a technical college program where you are specifically trained for a position.

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Jul 4th, 2017 4:28 pm

CNeufeld: Deal Guru; Mar 23, 2008; 13006 posts; 9978 upvotes; Edmonton

Jul 4th, 2017 4:28 pm

Frankly, it seems like you should take a step back and figure out what you want to do. If you were really focused on Criminology, you would have held up your GPA.

Maybe take some time off and re-focus?

I struggled in college right out of high school. Ended up taking 4 years off, and coming back. Worked well for me.

C

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Jul 5th, 2017 9:02 am

ElChico: Deal Addict; Apr 23, 2006; 3634 posts; 65 upvotes

Jul 5th, 2017 9:02 am

What program did you apply to at York? Criminology is capped and usually closes early. You could try a related program like Sociology, Interdisciplinary Social Science, or Human Rights and Equity Studies, then switch if your new GPA is high enough.

Jul 5th, 2017 9:16 am

TwilitHikari: Member; Oct 15, 2008; 214 posts; 56 upvotes

Jul 5th, 2017 9:16 am

Well if you know that your academic record doesn't look great, this shouldn't come as a surprise. Maybe take a semester off and apply to winter start? There's usually less competition there.

Jul 14th, 2017 8:52 am

AjayTo: Member; Jul 30, 2013; 238 posts; 117 upvotes; Toronto

Jul 14th, 2017 8:52 am

vocabularylover wrote: ↑ I am freaking out and about to have a mental breakdown.

I have a long academic history, and will try my best to explain it.

I was accepted to UofT in 2013 and was majoring in Political Science. However, in my second year, I was expelled due to a terrible plagiarism mistake. I applied to Ryerson, and thankfully was admitted. However, I switched to Criminology as my program and all the courses i took were to satisfy the Crim degree requirements. However, my GPA fell below a 2.67 and they kicked me out of the program--back into Poli Sci. I have absolutely NO courses that can count towards the Poli Sci degree and I may have to spend an additional four years just to complete the degree. My program advisor suggested I apply elsewhere in hopes that they would accept my Crim credits and speed up graduation a bit.

However, I just received news that York rejected my application. I applied as a transfer students and I do no not meet their criteria.

What am I supposed to do now? Should I re-apply as a mature student? Should I flee the country? Does anyone have any advice?

Okay. First off, take a breath. Secondly, what is it that you want to do with a bachelor's anyways? That's the real question. Because the more money you pour into this, believe it or not, the deeper a hole you're going to dig yourself into.

Your academic record is stained for sure, there's no doubt about that. Everyone makes mistakes but I agree strongly with the first replier. Maybe try a college programme. You were expelled from a university for plagiarism and then kicked out of another programme… maybe that's a sign you're not cut out for university or you're just not ready for it.

There's nothing wrong with not being cut out for university. Everyone has their different strengths and weaknesses. What do you want to do with a bachelor's anyways?

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Jul 14th, 2017 1:22 pm

cybercavalier: Deal Addict; Mar 6, 2015; 1737 posts; 264 upvotes

Jul 14th, 2017 1:22 pm

AjayTo wrote: ↑ Your academic record is stained for sure, there's no doubt about that. Everyone makes mistakes but I agree strongly with the first replier. Maybe try a college programme. You were expelled from a university for plagiarism and then kicked out of another programme… maybe that's a sign you're not cut out for university or you're just not ready for it.
There's nothing wrong with not being cut out for university. Everyone has their different strengths and weaknesses. What do you want to do with a bachelor's anyways?

There appears some deeper issues at work. Before concluding that the OP is not being cut out for university, the OP may want to know why and how he or she arrived at this location of career. His or her high school years were when the influence on his or her post-secondary education began. If you have an word processor -- online ones such as Google Doc or offline ones such as Microsoft Word, the OP may brainstorm the causes and future of his or her current education position. From there, a clearer pathway may appear from the words....

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Jul 15th, 2017 1:47 am

Eragon: Member; Sep 29, 2014; 231 posts; 221 upvotes; Toronto, ON

Jul 15th, 2017 1:47 am

woof122 wrote: ↑ It may not seem like it but the rejection is a blessing. Don't do any general bachelors. My suggestion would be to apply for a technical college program where you are specifically trained for a position.

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OP, take this from someone who completed an arts degree and went to law school. Most of the people I graduated with from my arts program struggled to find a decent job.

Why in god's name do you want to sink yourself into more debt, and waste more years, on an arts degree? If you were academically inclined and wanted to go to law school or complete a masters in public policy, I would say go for it. But, it's clear that you're a mediocre student in general, trying to stay afloat in a sinking ship. University is not the answer for many people to solve their problems. Figure out what you want out of your life, what CAREER you want to go into, and what it will realistically take to get there.

College and skilled trades programs are an excellent alternative as they offer many employable programs, with fewer years of schooling, less debt, and a good start to your career path.

P.S. There is literally almost nothing you can do with an undergraduate degree in political science or criminology alone.

Jul 15th, 2017 4:33 am

adamtheman: Deal Fanatic; Dec 3, 2004; 7223 posts; 9665 upvotes; 74629315 downvotes

Jul 15th, 2017 4:33 am

Wow, you are incredibly lucky.

Just imagine if they had accepted your transfer? You would have spent another 3 years and graduated with a Bachelor's Degree in Criminology with a GPA of maybe 2.8. Plus a ton of student debt. Then after 8 months of looking for a job you would finally hit the jackpot and get a position as Assistant Manager at Old Navy for $14.50 an hour.

Consider yourself lucky!

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Jul 15th, 2017 5:02 am

AjayTo: Member; Jul 30, 2013; 238 posts; 117 upvotes; Toronto

Jul 15th, 2017 5:02 am

cybercavalier wrote: ↑ There appears some deeper issues at work. Before concluding that the OP is not being cut out for university, the OP may want to know why and how he or she arrived at this location of career. His or her high school years were when the influence on his or her post-secondary education began. If you have an word processor -- online ones such as Google Doc or offline ones such as Microsoft Word, the OP may brainstorm the causes and future of his or her current education position. From there, a clearer pathway may appear from the words....

I wasn't making a conclusion about the OP. That's why I said MAYBE... clearly the issues that arise can possibly point in that direction. But, I don't know the full story.

Jul 15th, 2017 8:20 am

Swswswish: Deal Fanatic; Apr 15, 2011; 5834 posts; 1220 upvotes; aGincourt

Jul 15th, 2017 8:20 am

Get big vehicle driving exp and apply as a TTC Operator

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Aug 5th, 2017 10:03 am

Buster34: Banned; Oct 20, 2016; 235 posts; 139 upvotes

Aug 5th, 2017 10:03 am

getting a degree, a piece of paper,,,,i'm a somebody
my son is a somebody, university graduate
many a reason,to be recognized.
as someone said,there's winter semester as time is tight
in the interim.... fall semester at athabasca university..online and + transfer those creditsas well for winter semester admission at an on site university
fall,there's always Ontario university in oshawa.they're begging (advertising) for students.
so what your looking at now is staying in the game and transferring out.
cause your degree, that you will achieve will have the university you graduated from and not how you got there

Aug 5th, 2017 10:56 am

gei: Deal Fanatic; Dec 20, 2004; 5528 posts; 1855 upvotes; Toronto

Aug 5th, 2017 10:56 am

Buster34 wrote: ↑getting a degree, a piece of paper,,,,i'm a somebody
my son is a somebody, university graduate

Unfortunately people are brainwashed to believe this, but it is simply not true. Your son is just a "somebody" with a ton of debt. The piece of paper itself is useless.

Aug 5th, 2017 2:17 pm

dragon_drift: Deal Expert; Sep 3, 2007; 16030 posts; 394 upvotes

Aug 5th, 2017 2:17 pm

What are you planning to do with a Poli Sci degree? When I worked summers at Shoppers, I knew a few that did the program, but couldn't do anything with it, so they're stuck doing merchandising/retail.

Why not learn a trade or something more useful.

This is coming from someone who wasted 4 years for a piece of paper and debt.

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Aug 5th, 2017 5:43 pm

Buster34: Banned; Oct 20, 2016; 235 posts; 139 upvotes

Aug 5th, 2017 5:43 pm

it's not what the degree is..as it has no absolute value whatever, but it has face

op will convocate from university

Aug 5th, 2017 6:35 pm

JayLove06: Deal Expert; Feb 29, 2008; 19929 posts; 18644 upvotes; Tarrana & The Ri…

Aug 5th, 2017 6:35 pm

How do you get kicked out with a GPA below 2.67?

Also, before going back to school, figure out what you're going to do with that degree. There are some useless degrees out there, I'm telling you.

Aug 5th, 2017 6:38 pm

JayLove06: Deal Expert; Feb 29, 2008; 19929 posts; 18644 upvotes; Tarrana & The Ri…

Aug 5th, 2017 6:38 pm

gei wrote: ↑ Unfortunately people are brainwashed to believe this, but it is simply not true. Your son is just a "somebody" with a ton of debt. The piece of paper itself is useless.

You have debt, but you need a good job to pay off that debt. You need a degree to get a good job. Many companies won't accept anyone without a degree even if it's for low level jobs. Most Canadians have degrees, so it's best to get one just to keep up. Soon a degree won't be enough.

Aug 5th, 2017 8:07 pm

AjayTo: Member; Jul 30, 2013; 238 posts; 117 upvotes; Toronto

Aug 5th, 2017 8:07 pm

gei wrote: ↑ Unfortunately people are brainwashed to believe this, but it is simply not true. Your son is just a "somebody" with a ton of debt. The piece of paper itself is useless.

I agree to some extent. The older generation really looked highly on those who went to university. A bachelor's degree was worth much more in the past than now.

Aug 6th, 2017 8:27 am

Buster34: Banned; Oct 20, 2016; 235 posts; 139 upvotes

Aug 6th, 2017 8:27 am

some other scenarios
op may be a foreign student.
great family honor to have child with say u of t and and a solid command of the english language
arranged marriage, my son my daughter has a degree
child from another country, to be the first in the family with a university education and a degree
big chill, if op is the only one in the family not to have obtained a degree

everyone in university knows after year 1, that their degree has no value

yet enrollment is at an all time high and applications to university even higher

Aug 6th, 2017 9:16 am

AjayTo: Member; Jul 30, 2013; 238 posts; 117 upvotes; Toronto

Aug 6th, 2017 9:16 am

Buster34 wrote: ↑ some other scenarios
op may be a foreign student.
great family honor to have child with say u of t and and a solid command of the english language
arranged marriage, my son my daughter has a degree
child from another country, to be the first in the family with a university education and a degree
big chill, if op is the only one in the family not to have obtained a degree

everyone in university knows after year 1, that their degree has no value

yet enrollment is at an all time high and applications to university even higher

If the individual is foreign, going to any western university is considered a "great honour," not sure why people suggest that going to the University of Toronto is such a great deal. Hollywood movies suggest that going to a "certain university" is very important. While that is true in the United States (Private vs. Public vs. X Uni vs. State vs. Ivy), it's not the same here.

As for enrolment being at an all-time high, I agree. However, why is enrolment peaking? Because... the POPULATION has increased. It has nothing to do with young people WANTING to go to university.

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