Relocate to US or look for a job in Toronto?

I don't understand why you're asking us. You clearly have a preconceived notion of what you want to do. Pursue your happiness however you'd like.

Sounds like you have negative opinions towards Ontario, plus those past offers are pretty good. I'd suggest moving there, but I'd also consider everything you would be leaving behind here.

AwakeForever wrote: ↑Sounds like you have negative opinions towards Ontario, plus those past offers are pretty good. I'd suggest moving there, but I'd also consider everything you would be leaving behind here.

I have to consider my family and friends, but I have to think about my future. I would like to be financially stable and be able to support myself.

You want to move to US. You have already answered your question. You will also help one Canadian get closer to the job they are seeking this way by being one person out of competition here.

You haven't applied to a single job in Ontario yet, but you already think the pay is bad? I'm sure there are good jobs here.

You should apply to jobs here first. If you don't like it, you can relocate with no regrets.

It's all a matter of priorities. I spent several years working in the US but now that I have a family, I wouldn't want to raise them there. But there are certainly more opportunities in the US.

I think you want to go back to the U.S. and you already have your answer

I say go for it, but still apply for jobs in Ontario so you get a feel of what else is out there.

So this thread was started to let us all know that you (OP) can get a job in the US because you have a TN visa? I don't think many people will take a job in the US even if it was visa free (I am one of them), considering other factors you have to deal with over there besides the 300 million plus people.

as many implied, it comes down to how much the incremental salary difference you earn in the States vs Canada offsets the perceived disadvantages of you living there. Amongst those disadvantages are the fact that you're effectively a 'temp' without permanent status, the lack of personal safety as opposed to Canada, and the people you're surrounded by. I would be happy to work and live in the US but would hesitate raising a family there.

In financial services, the US offers substantially more opportunity for income and for career growth. I'm not sure about IT, but I imagine it's a similar story.

angrybanker wrote: ↑as many implied, it comes down to how much the incremental salary difference you earn in the States vs Canada offsets the perceived disadvantages of you living there. Amongst those disadvantages are the fact that you're effectively a 'temp' without permanent status, the lack of personal safety as opposed to Canada, and the people you're surrounded by. I would be happy to work and live in the US but would hesitate raising a family there.

In financial services, the US offers substantially more opportunity for income and for career growth. I'm not sure about IT, but I imagine it's a similar story.

How family-suitable a move to the US is depends a lot on the location.

Canada is good across the board, with not a great difference between the best places and the worst. The US is a lot more municipality-dependent, so you have cities that are way nicer than any Canadian city, and cities that are far worse than any Canadian city. Personally, I like that Canada is very much the same across the board. We, with very few exceptions, don't have to plan our travels around bad parts of town, and that's awesome. It's even that way in the big cities. In the States, there are definitely rough patches, and they can be scattered about - even in suburbia. But you can also take advantage of it, so long as you have a solid income and a good employer-paid health insurance plan. You can cherry pick the suburb or town you live in, according to what you're looking for. Good hospitals, awesome schools, cool pubs, top-notch city services, etc... Depending on what you can afford, those can far exceed in quality what any city in Canada can provide. Then you're taking advantage of the inequality, so to speak.

justaskthescientician wrote: ↑How family-suitable a move to the US is depends a lot on the location.

Canada is good across the board, with not a great difference between the best places and the worst. The US is a lot more municipality-dependent, so you have cities that are way nicer than any Canadian city, and cities that are far worse than any Canadian city. Personally, I like that Canada is very much the same across the board. We, with very few exceptions, don't have to plan our travels around bad parts of town, and that's awesome. It's even that way in the big cities. In the States, there are definitely rough patches, and they can be scattered about - even in suburbia. But you can also take advantage of it, so long as you have a solid income and a good employer-paid health insurance plan. You can cherry pick the suburb or town you live in, according to what you're looking for. Good hospitals, awesome schools, cool pubs, top-notch city services, etc... Depending on what you can afford, those can far exceed in quality what any city in Canada can provide. Then you're taking advantage of the inequality, so to speak.

great post. agree 100%.

bramptonmt wrote: ↑You will also help one Canadian get closer to the job they are seeking this way by being one person out of competition here.

LOL. Wtf.

ironbrah wrote: ↑LOL. Wtf.

People moving to US on TN should ease some pressure off supersaturated, highly competitive Southern Ontario job market. Might be very tiny bit but every drop counts! It is crazy to hear people have been unemployed for years altogether!

I would say relocate. As long as you think you can deal with no state healthcare (one could pay for their own, but for some reason I hear lots of horror stories or general hate for US healthcare). Personally I would take a better opportunity if it meant faster financial freedom in the long run. Also better chances to be an entrepreneur there.

go to the US and dont look back

Has anyone heard of Canadian illegal immigrants into the U.S job market and acquired decent jobs and future residency? We here all the stories of Mexican aliens in the low end U.S. job market but what about educated Canadians with degrees but do not satisfy the TN Visa requirements. If a Mexican can relatively easy dodge immigration why can't educated Canadians work there without all the massive headaches of Visa impediments?

Moreover we here all the time Americans infiltrating the Canadian residency i.e. the draft dodgers (Viet, Iraq wars etc) but not the other way around.

Euphoric wrote: ↑go to the US and dont look back

until you go to doctor... LOL

there is no job in toronto

astrotrain wrote: ↑Has anyone heard of Canadian illegal immigrants into the U.S job market and acquired decent jobs and future residency? We here all the stories of Mexican aliens in the low end U.S. job market but what about educated Canadians with degrees but do not satisfy the TN Visa requirements. If a Mexican can relatively easy dodge immigration why can't educated Canadians work there without all the massive headaches of Visa impediments?

Moreover we here all the time Americans infiltrating the Canadian residency i.e. the draft dodgers (Viet, Iraq wars etc) but not the other way around.

Mexicans are willing to take the crappy jobs that pay cash. The employer is cool with paying cash because he or she is paying the workers considerably less than minimum wage. That's why you don't hear about Canadians as illegal immigrants in the States: it's not worth it to move from Canada to the US to make $3 an hour. It's in cash, though, so that's a positive. No income tax for you.