Roof Shingles Exposed and Wood with some Water Damage (this winter)

Hi,

This was 'inspected' by someone coming by i'm not sure if this is accurate. that this would happen in such a fashion. Wouldn't shingles normally fall off as a whole piece as oppose to be ripped up like that as it's nailed on? Scam?

It does look a bit suspect to me but im not at all an expert. I feel like if the wind was strong enough to tear the shingles it would probably also blow them off the roof. Something looks fishy there.

Edit: It actually looks like someone ripped off some shingles to look at the wood below.

Yes.... Supposedly it can crumble but i'm not 100% sure and now i have a problem after accepting an inspection while I Was busy

My roof is 2009 installed.

Soooo did you ask them to come and inspect?
Or did were they doing door to door?
Were you aware of the damage before hand?
Is there any water damage in the attic insulation directly underneath? What about ceiling? A spot that big unprotected I would expect visible water penetration pretty quickly.

If it's door to door, I would be very suspicious that they happen to find this issue as they're "in the area" without you noticing the effects before hand. It also looks like they tried to pick a spot where it's very difficult to see from the ground.

IMO it doesn't look like it's done by natural causes. And even if they claim that it's weathered and fallen off, like what are the chances that the damaged shingles just happen to land 12" away in a circular pattern. Wind damage would mean it would land some distance away - on the next roof, in your yard, etc. And the rest of your roof looks pretty good for 13 yrs, no lifting of the edges, no deterioration...

I call BS.

enwhyRFD wrote: ↑ Soooo did you ask them to come and inspect?
Or did were they doing door to door?
Were you aware of the damage before hand?
Is there any water damage in the attic insulation directly underneath? What about ceiling? A spot that big unprotected I would expect visible water penetration pretty quickly.

If it's door to door, I would be very suspicious that they happen to find this issue as they're "in the area" without you noticing the effects before hand. It also looks like they tried to pick a spot where it's very difficult to see from the ground.

IMO it doesn't look like it's done by natural causes. And even if they claim that it's weathered and fallen off, like what are the chances that the damaged shingles just happen to land 12" away in a circular pattern. Wind damage would mean it would land some distance away - on the next roof, in your yard, etc. And the rest of your roof looks pretty good for 13 yrs, no lifting of the edges, no deterioration...

I call BS.

Geeze, if the person who inspected it caused the damage how would you even prove it?

Get someone else to look at it and see what they say but you really need that spot fixed so you don't get water damage.

Is the inspector just a guy or do they have a reputable company?

Geez, when I saw those photos it looked really odd. Not like wind would have done it and left the pieces there. Then I wondered about an animal trying to get it. Ask the person who inspected it why they tore some of the shingles off.

enwhyRFD wrote: ↑ Soooo did you ask them to come and inspect?
Or did were they doing door to door?
Were you aware of the damage before hand?
Is there any water damage in the attic insulation directly underneath? What about ceiling? A spot that big unprotected I would expect visible water penetration pretty quickly.

If it's door to door, I would be very suspicious that they happen to find this issue as they're "in the area" without you noticing the effects before hand. It also looks like they tried to pick a spot where it's very difficult to see from the ground.

IMO it doesn't look like it's done by natural causes. And even if they claim that it's weathered and fallen off, like what are the chances that the damaged shingles just happen to land 12" away in a circular pattern. Wind damage would mean it would land some distance away - on the next roof, in your yard, etc. And the rest of your roof looks pretty good for 13 yrs, no lifting of the edges, no deterioration...

I call BS.

No it was a door to door which is suspect as they were in the area "saying they were in the area". I had a lapse of judgement accepting the offer of taking a look - although was asked whether to go on the roof - can't remember if I accepted regardless, i don't know what happened regardless. Was under the impression just drone pictures would be used. I wasn't out there because I was preoccupied.

That is a big spot and yes with recent snow then water would have entered. IF that was torn off recently by natural causes then there must have been some damage.

I guess regardless at this point, I will need an emergency repair from a reputable company and not from this guy as this is suspicious.

Thanks

Squirrel99 wrote: ↑ Geeze, if the person who inspected it caused the damage how would you even prove it?

Get someone else to look at it and see what they say but you really need that spot fixed so you don't get water damage.

Is the inspector just a guy or do they have a reputable company?

You wouldn't be able to prove it unless there was already evidence that disproves it (like if OP had photos from the day before or direct video evidence showing the inspection dealing the suspected damage). Arguments would be hearsay and speculative.

And since OP can't prove it, they're left with fixing it out of their pocket. Extortion scam really.

Which ultimately sucks for the home owner / OP.

So I guess the question is, does OP have access to any evidence that shows the inspector up there ripping stuff up? Maybe neighbours have surveillance footage?

Squirrel99 wrote: ↑ Geeze, if the person who inspected it caused the damage how would you even prove it?

Get someone else to look at it and see what they say but you really need that spot fixed so you don't get water damage.

Is the inspector just a guy or do they have a reputable company?

You wouldn't be able to prove it unless there was already evidence that disproves it (like if OP had photos from the day before or direct video evidence showing the inspection dealing the suspected damage). Arguments would be hearsay and speculative.

And since OP can't prove it, they're left with fixing it out of their pocket. Extortion scam really.

Which ultimately sucks for the home owner / OP.

So I guess the question is, does OP have access to any evidence that shows the inspector up there ripping stuff up? Maybe neighbours have surveillance footage?

NotADressRehearsal wrote: ↑ No it was a door to door which is suspect as they were in the area "saying they were in the area". I had a lapse of judgement accepting the offer of taking a look - although was asked whether to go on the roof - can't remember if I accepted regardless, i don't know what happened regardless. Was under the impression just drone pictures would be used. I wasn't out there because I was preoccupied.

That is a big spot and yes with recent snow then water would have entered. IF that was torn off recently by natural causes then there must have been some damage.

I guess regardless at this point, I will need an emergency repair from a reputable company and not from this guy as this is suspicious.

Thanks

Sorry to hear OP. Please learn a lesson and always keep an eye on anyone new you get to work on your house. I do not let anyone out of my sight until they've earned my trust. Especially door to door.

Yes regardless of whether it was scam or not, you're left with fixing it asap.

Fix it from someone reputable then try to go after these guys.

Where are you located? Would help RFDers provide references.

But do you have the guys name? I dunno if you can ask around and see if it happened to anyone else or maybe the police have had it reported before?

I have seen damage like this done to roofs, by raccoons. They want to get in you attic, and will tear a section of the roof to do it. In some cases, they are successful if it is a cedar shingle roof, obviously with wood decking on your roof, it was not going to work.

wth
At first glance I thought it was a raccoon.
But what is the likelihood there was this big hole in the roof and a friendly roof inspector guy just randomly comes to your door?

Also OP no one can suggest a reputable roofer if you don't give your location. Based on the angle of the sun in your pictures I would assume you are in Churchill, Manitoba.

User452441 wrote: ↑ I have seen damage like this done to roofs, by raccoons. They want to get in you attic, and will tear a section of the roof to do it. In some cases, they are successful if it is a cedar shingle roof, obviously with wood decking on your roof, it was not going to work.

I have had raccoons in my attic previously. They will look for an existing opening. Not start pulling from a field.

At the very least you better get that thing tarped ASAP unless u have a permanent solution ASAP.
Personally I d fix it myself since it’s only a bungalow.

enwhyRFD wrote: ↑ Sorry to hear OP. Please learn a lesson and always keep an eye on anyone new you get to work on your house. I do not let anyone out of my sight until they've earned my trust. Especially door to door.

Yes regardless of whether it was scam or not, you're left with fixing it asap.

Fix it from someone reputable then try to go after these guys.

Where are you located? Would help RFDers provide references.

Thanks. East york if you know any emergency roof repairs.

tempperm wrote: ↑ I have had raccoons in my attic previously. They will look for an existing opening. Not start pulling from a field.

I respectfully disagree. Look at the images from the following goggle search to show the damage they will do. And been in the roofing industry 30 years, I have first hand experience in fixing there damage.

https://www.google.com/search?q=racoon+ ... 1385&dpr=2

shingles are coming up 13 yrs old and are of dubious quality with nothing underneath. If you can afford it, just get whole roof done. If you can;t afford it get the 1/2 involved done and get the other 1/2 done with you have the $$$.

Trying to patch that mess is just like throwing money off the roof and should be your absolute last resor.

luckystrike1 wrote: ↑ shingles are coming up 13 yrs old and are of dubious quality with nothing underneath. If you can afford it, just get whole roof done. If you can;t afford it get the 1/2 involved done and get the other 1/2 done with you have the $$$.

Trying to patch that mess is just like throwing money off the roof and should be your absolute last resor.

agreed...at 13 years old, you might as well do the entire roof because what will end up happening is you will have other areas that will need to be done in the future.

NotADressRehearsal wrote: ↑ Thanks. East york if you know any emergency roof repairs.

I used Jacky and his crew for repairs on my roof, as well as my parent's for emergency work, both within the last 12 months. My go to for small and emergency jobs. I'm sure they do entire roofs as well, so I'll call them up when I'm next due for quotes. For the small repairs, they were great. Very informative, great communication, did it right, showed me what they were doing (I had gone into the attic to check out the work).
https://www.cplusroofing.com/

When I redid my roof 15 yrs ago I went with Cherry and Clark. Can't remember too much, but haven't had any issues since then so can't complain. I think since the job was kind of emergency and was on the pricier end, I went through the Home Depot Contractor Services side and leveraged the 12 months no interest plan promo that was going around back then.
https://www.cherryandclarkroofing.ca/

Both of the above does work around GTA.

Get a bunch of quotes, both for repairing the area and whole roof like the others have mentioned. You may find that the price difference isn't that much, so if you're in financial position to do so, get the whole roof done since 13 yrs is nearing a redo.

GL