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Is This Self Defense?

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l69norm wrote: Already happened
michael-bryant-allan-sheppard-bicycle-i ... -a-784053/

tl:dr
Mentally ill and drunk, a bike courier accosts multiple motorists looking for a fight. Guy tries to attack a driver in an open convertible, driver hits the gas. Bike guy tries to hang on, but falls and is run over. Driver charged with death of bike guy
Bryant ended up having all his charges dropped.
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Swerny wrote: Bryant ended up having all his charges dropped.
So the moral of the story is that in Canada , even if you are 100% justified in your self defense, there will be charges brought against you and you will be forced to defend yourself in Court against the state.

If you kill someone , no matter the circumstances you will be treated like a criminal and arrested and detained against your will.

Almost like they don't want Canadians to be able to defend themselves huh ?
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geokilla wrote: Others in the area carry the robber around to give him some additional injuries
Actually, those are also robbers working with the guy with the gun... they were trying to help him up...
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Swerny wrote: Bryant ended up having all his charges dropped.
Only cause Bryant could afford a high end legal defense team (Marie Henein).

If it had been a regular guy, we would not have those kind of financial resources. We likely would have been (wrongly) convicted of dangerous driving causing death and criminal negligence causing death (plus significant jail time).

The cops had tunnel vision and didn't dig deeper. Bryant's defense team did all the investigative work that the cops didn't do. The cops should have found that the victim had a past history of attacking other motorists. In the preceding weeks, the victim had at least 6 previous incidents where he attacked and threatened other motorists. The victim takes the innocent actions of others and perceives them as slights against him, then reacts violently.

Here is one of those previous incidents, caught on camera below. The victim threatens the SUV driver, grabs the driver thru the window and tries to take the keys. Now imagine if you were Bryant, unprotected in an open convertible .

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Ironically, after charges were dropped, the whole incident lead to a major life/ career change for Bryant

https://lawandstyle.ca/law/cover-story- ... =hootsuite
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l69norm wrote: Only cause Bryant could afford a high end legal defense team (Marie Henein).

If it had been a regular guy, we would not have those kind of financial resources. We likely would have been (wrongly) convicted of dangerous driving causing death and criminal negligence causing death (plus significant jail time).

The cops had tunnel vision and didn't dig deeper. Bryant's defense team did all the investigative work that the cops didn't do. The cops should have found that the victim had a past history of attacking other motorists. In the preceding weeks, the victim had at least 6 previous incidents where he attacked and threatened other motorists. The victim takes the innocent actions of others and perceives them as slights against him, then reacts violently.

Here is one of those previous incidents, caught on camera below. The victim threatens the SUV driver, grabs the driver thru the window and tries to take the keys. Now imagine if you were Bryant, unprotected in an open convertible .

Image


Ironically, after charges were dropped, the whole incident lead to a major life/ career change for Bryant

https://lawandstyle.ca/law/cover-story- ... =hootsuite
I'm not disagreeing with you and I know the story.

Others may not, which is why i added what i did.
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Drunk drivers don't get sentenced to a lot of time when they run over innocent ppl. I don't see a prob here running over someone pointing a gun at u, waiting to carjack u.
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l69norm wrote: Already happened
michael-bryant-allan-sheppard-bicycle-i ... -a-784053/

tl:dr
Mentally ill and drunk, a bike courier accosts multiple motorists looking for a fight. Guy tries to attack a driver in an open convertible, driver hits the gas. Bike guy tries to hang on, but falls and is run over. Driver charged with death of bike guy
He was charged, but it never went to trial. Charges were dropped, and even the prosecutor said he was legally justified in his attempt to get away.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael ... olitician)

Never mind... I see others have already chimed in. :)

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My reaction would also run the assailant down.
At that moment, it's him or my family.
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I applaud the quick reactions of the driver. Despite movies, cars are not bullet proof. Running down the scum was the quickest way out of danger rather than dodging around him and risking bullets getting pumped into your non-bullet-proof car.

Looks like the overwhelming opinion in this thread is that the driver did no wrong. So if we represent the typical jury, then the driver should have no worries.

LOL, what a dumbass. Bringing a gun to a car fight.
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Dude had perfect reaction. If you live in a hood where you always have to walk or drive on eggshells every day you would do the same.
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l69norm wrote: Only cause Bryant could afford a high end legal defense team (Marie Henein).

If it had been a regular guy, we would not have those kind of financial resources. We likely would have been (wrongly) convicted of dangerous driving causing death and criminal negligence causing death (plus significant jail time).

The cops had tunnel vision and didn't dig deeper. Bryant's defense team did all the investigative work that the cops didn't do. The cops should have found that the victim had a past history of attacking other motorists. In the preceding weeks, the victim had at least 6 previous incidents where he attacked and threatened other motorists. The victim takes the innocent actions of others and perceives them as slights against him, then reacts violently.

Here is one of those previous incidents, caught on camera below. The victim threatens the SUV driver, grabs the driver thru the window and tries to take the keys. Now imagine if you were Bryant, unprotected in an open convertible .

Image


Ironically, after charges were dropped, the whole incident lead to a major life/ career change for Bryant

https://lawandstyle.ca/law/cover-story- ... =hootsuite
I actually think brant left Ontario and went to bc to get away from all the press. I remember when that happened in Toronto and the douche bike courier getting up in everyone’s faces lol wonder why people hate bikers.
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vkizzle wrote: My reaction would also run the assailant down.
At that moment, it's him or my family.
Family first baby
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There was another incident where a suv got swarmed full on shit head crotch rocket bikers like 20 of them and a guy took his helmet off and started smashing the front window and he had his family in the suv and he drove through like 15 of them to get away, some died oh well don’t instigate no harm to be done. I don’t think those bikers will do that again.
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shawn01 wrote: There was another incident where a suv got swarmed full on shit head crotch rocket bikers like 20 of them and a guy took his helmet off and started smashing the front window and he had his family in the suv and he drove through like 15 of them to get away, some died oh well don’t instigate no harm to be done. I don’t think those bikers will do that again.
I believe this is the most comprehensive list of articles on that incident:

https://nypost.com/tag/alexian-lien/
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