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Should I buy used Q7 or wait?

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Should I buy used Q7 or wait?

Main question: I have been looking at a 2017 Q7 Technik lease return with 42,000kms, quite loaded, build specs below:

1D6 - TOWING PACKAGE, 4X4 - REAR SIDE AIRBAGS, 5TV - Inlay, upper: Alu/Lower: Beaufort Walnut, PCA - Driver Assistance Plus Package, PPH - Luxury Package, PPU - Dynamic Ride Package, PQY - S-Line Sport Package
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It's listed at $48k but with my connection to my relative in car sales I could get it for about $43k all in with GST (after playing some games with financing kickbacks etc). Maybe I could add an extended warranty onto that. This seems like a very good deal.

Alternatively I could wait for more deals to pop up and maybe reconsider other cars like 2020 Highlander Hybrid, etc. I can also lease a leather Pilot for like $550 a month now that there is 0%. Do you think this Q7 is a good buy right now or I should wait more for car sales to collapse? I won't negotiate with my relative as he has already helped me in the past.

More details:
-My current cars are 2010 Venza and 2020 Honda Clarity (see "The new whip has arrived" thread Face With Tears Of Joy). We are pregnant and always planned to get a 3 row when baby on the way (2 large dogs as well). Venza is spouse's commuter car and for dumb reasons relating to living and working in AB, spouse is not going to drive Clarity to work as originally planned. On top of that we talked about getting a trailer so looking for something to tow with, but now we are thinking we will wait until next year for the trailer.

-Whether I need the car is questionable, though I can afford it. Spouse's commute is a pretty safe one but I am annoyed Clarity is sitting at home / being used by me and am a bit of a safety freak. Venza is not nearly as safe and would prefer spouse to be driving something very safe on commute. Thing is, once maternity leave is on the Clarity could be used for pretty much all day to day driving (at low running cost!). We only drive about 25,000kms a year total between both vehicles right now. So cars can last a very long time.

-From a powertrain perspective I no longer care much about speed (esp. in family vehicle) and for day to day the 2020 Highlander Hybrid would be perfect for me but I don't think it will do the job towing, even with a small fibreglass trailer like I'd like to get, as no mechanical connection to the rear wheels. Plus it's not as comfortable. The Audi is obviously a joy to drive and spouse loves the massaging seats, etc. Lack of a spare and runflats seem super expensive and annoying for towing (guess I'd just toss a winter wheel and tire in the trailer as a spare).
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A few things...
1. Didn't you already have this thread?

2. How/why is the Venza unsafe? Also, while there are still thousands of cars on the road daily, there are also a lot less than there used to be at the same time, which means it should be "safer" that way anyway.

3. Your question may be only as good as anybody's guess, regarding prices going down and how low they might go. If you get a great deal now, I'd say might as well go for it (and then don't bother looking at values again until you're ready to sell lol); otherwise just wait it out. If there's some major repair that has to be done on the Venza or something (thus why it's "unsafe"?) then you'll have to balance how much you need to weigh how much that is against other options.
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Nobody can answer that question for you but yourself lol...

If you need it, buy it. If you want it, buy it. But I think a Venza is fit for all your needs.
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Wow op you're able get 7k dollars off the Q7? How did you manage that?
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Jigsaw wrote: Wow op you're able get 7k dollars off the Q7? How did you manage that?
Because it could be 4 years old.
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Blubbs wrote: We are pregnant
Congratulations on the soon to be non-identical twins.

If you have the spare cash, and both of you like it and want it, why not.
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The CPO warranty used to be like the one from VW: remaining new-vehicle limited warranty plus additional 2-year / 40,000 km limited extended warranty
Seems they changed the rule,. Now it just extend the base warranty from 4y/80K to 5y/100K.
Bet they didn't change the price.
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Blubbs wrote: Venza is spouse's commuter car and for dumb reasons relating to living and working in AB, spouse is not going to drive Clarity to work as originally planned.
So much for "freedoms", huh?
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typer100 wrote: The CPO warranty used to be like the one from VW: remaining new-vehicle limited warranty plus additional 2-year / 40,000 km limited extended warranty
Seems they changed the rule,. Now it just extend the base warranty from 4y/80K to 5y/100K.
Bet they didn't change the price.
Wow that's pretty lacklustre. However it looks like you can get the additional 2yr/40k if the vehicle you're buying has less than 2yrs or 40k left on it when you are buying it. In that case they extend by 2yrs and 40k.

However, at one point in time (around 2008 I'm saying), I could have sworn it was an additonal four years of warranty, no?
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Here are my $0.02:

- If you can comfortably afford it, get the Q7. Comparing it with a Pilot/Highlander is not even fair as the Audi is head and shoulders above the cars you're comparing
- You are already getting an amazing deal in Q7: jump on it. Yes, it's possible to get a better deal down the road but there is no guarantee
- DO get the extended warranty. Just for the peace of mind
- You guys are pregnant. Congrats! When we first were pregnant, we were driving a 12+ year old Camry with no side airbags and generally very unsafe (no traction control, stability system, etc.). We sold it and leased a Kia. Safety to us was VERY important. Venza is now approaching 10 years old and now would be a good time to replace it with something that's newer and more safe (not that Venza isn't safe already).

Keep driving your Clarity, and enjoy!
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ES_Revenge wrote: A few things...
1. Didn't you already have this thread?

2. How/why is the Venza unsafe? Also, while there are still thousands of cars on the road daily, there are also a lot less than there used to be at the same time, which means it should be "safer" that way anyway.

3. Your question may be only as good as anybody's guess, regarding prices going down and how low they might go. If you get a great deal now, I'd say might as well go for it (and then don't bother looking at values again until you're ready to sell lol); otherwise just wait it out. If there's some major repair that has to be done on the Venza or something (thus why it's "unsafe"?) then you'll have to balance how much you need to weigh how much that is against other options.
Swerny wrote: why another Q7 thread OP?
It's true and I thought about not replying to the thread in order to not be a bother, but people are still chatting so, eh, oops.

The latest thing bugging me about the car is the insanely expensive run flat tires, and lack of a spare or a place to put a spare. It would be the road trip car so that could prove frustrating.
Jigsaw wrote: Wow op you're able get 7k dollars off the Q7? How did you manage that?
oriley wrote: Because it could be 4 years old.
It was $95k new in 2016. Deal is through a relative connection to a dealership.
IndusVally wrote: So much for "freedoms", huh?
There has been a lot to like about living in AB including great incomes and cost of living, mostly nice people. Some of the politics is a downer but it's not as bad as many Easterners think. Edmonton is the least conservative city in AB.
ES_Revenge wrote: Wow that's pretty lacklustre. However it looks like you can get the additional 2yr/40k if the vehicle you're buying has less than 2yrs or 40k left on it when you are buying it. In that case they extend by 2yrs and 40k.
However, at one point in time (around 2008 I'm saying), I could have sworn it was an additonal four years of warranty, no?
I'll have to price out the extended warranty and figure out what is covers.
TuxedoBlack wrote: Here are my $0.02:

- If you can comfortably afford it, get the Q7. Comparing it with a Pilot/Highlander is not even fair as the Audi is head and shoulders above the cars you're comparing
- You are already getting an amazing deal in Q7: jump on it. Yes, it's possible to get a better deal down the road but there is no guarantee
- DO get the extended warranty. Just for the peace of mind
- You guys are pregnant. Congrats! When we first were pregnant, we were driving a 12+ year old Camry with no side airbags and generally very unsafe (no traction control, stability system, etc.). We sold it and leased a Kia. Safety to us was VERY important. Venza is now approaching 10 years old and now would be a good time to replace it with something that's newer and more safe (not that Venza isn't safe already).

Keep driving your Clarity, and enjoy!
Thanks for input. Yah the deal is good and it would set us up. Waiting until mid May to reach some milestones to make a move on a vehicle. You leased the Telluride? I thought it had bad lease rates? My spouse thinks the Telluride is ugly but I'd like to test drive the Palisade as they are compelling vehicles. I worry about depreciation on them, though I think the Telluride will do better because people love it.
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Blubbs wrote: Thanks for input. Yah the deal is good and it would set us up. Waiting until mid May to reach some milestones to make a move on a vehicle. You leased the Telluride? I thought it had bad lease rates? My spouse thinks the Telluride is ugly but I'd like to test drive the Palisade as they are compelling vehicles. I worry about depreciation on them, though I think the Telluride will do better because people love it.
We leased a Sorento in 2016 (short-term lease, as I was at that time extremely wary of Hyundai/Kia). Sorento treated us super well, and I "traded" it in to get a Telluride. I got a loyalty rate of 0.99% finance over 60 months so it was a no-brainer.

Palisade looks nice too, but I prefer how Telluride looks. Palisade's interior is amazing though! Too bad the Palisade does not come with power-folding side view mirrors. Having power-folding mirrors is nice to have when you're in a tight spot, as these SUVs are not exactly small.

G'luck w/ your decision. I hope you hit your milestone so that your spouse can enjoy the Audi. And congrats again: when is the baby due?
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Blubbs wrote: The latest thing bugging me about the car is the insanely expensive run flat tires, and lack of a spare or a place to put a spare. It would be the road trip car so that could prove frustrating.
Oh really eh? Didn't know that about the newer Q7. That's kinda crappy. You really don't need a spare if you use run-flats but there are the caveats of more expensive and the harsher ride. Run-flats aren't really that expensive these days though, they're a bit more pricey but nothing like they were 20 years ago when they were like 2x the price of regular tyres. Nowadays they're a mild premium I'd say. Seen lots of run flats I could have reasonably bought in summer and winter types with pricing that was not obscene. Granted that wasn't in Q7 sizing though so you may be more seeing the effect of having 19-20" wheels than anything. That said, doesn't the Venza have that size of wheel stock as well?
Blubbs wrote: It was $95k new in 2016. Deal is through a relative connection to a dealership.
Those guys don't get how much Q7 costs when new, especially these days. They're probably used to buying stuff like Hyundai, Toyota, etc. I'm guessing. Seems like you're getting a decent discount on it.
Blubbs wrote: I'll have to price out the extended warranty and figure out what is covers.
Yeah there's like two tiers now too I noticed, one is probably powertrain and the other is probably bumper to bumper. I swear it used to be like 4 years or something, bumper-to-bumper on Audi CPO. How times have changed. Since extended warranty is a huge profit centre perhaps your same "connection" can get it for you at a big discount--might be worth it then. Seems like there is Audi Care CPO as well (maintenance program) but only useful if the Q7 requires a lot of expensive maintenance items and if you're the type to bring a car to a stealership for service.
Blubbs wrote: My spouse thinks the Telluride is ugly but I'd like to test drive the Palisade as they are compelling vehicles. I worry about depreciation on them, though I think the Telluride will do better because people love it.
I'd say stay away from Telluride--"Telluride? Telluno!" lol. Didn't you see the other thread on Telluride? :lol: Only Palisades I'd be looking into is these guys :D But if you really think the Hyundai would be better that's up to you of course, but then we are also talking about new v. used which is also another story (not that the "lemon" Telluride story is anything reassuring though lol). If it were me I'd probably buy an Explorer instead of the Hyundai.
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ES_Revenge wrote: Wow that's pretty lacklustre. However it looks like you can get the additional 2yr/40k if the vehicle you're buying has less than 2yrs or 40k left on it when you are buying it. In that case they extend by 2yrs and 40k.

However, at one point in time (around 2008 I'm saying), I could have sworn it was an additonal four years of warranty, no?
I can't go back that far. Bought 2 CPOs from Audi. 2009 A4 Avant in 2011 and 2011 S4 in 2013. Both 2y/40000km
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TuxedoBlack wrote:
We leased a Sorento in 2016 (short-term lease, as I was at that time extremely wary of Hyundai/Kia). Sorento treated us super well, and I "traded" it in to get a Telluride. I got a loyalty rate of 0.99% finance over 60 months so it was a no-brainer.

Palisade looks nice too, but I prefer how Telluride looks. Palisade's interior is amazing though! Too bad the Palisade does not come with power-folding side view mirrors. Having power-folding mirrors is nice to have when you're in a tight spot, as these SUVs are not exactly small.

G'luck w/ your decision. I hope you hit your milestone so that your spouse can enjoy the Audi. And congrats again: when is the baby due?
We hit three months in a couple weeks which is the milestone I'm looking at right now, thanks. That is a pretty great rate on the Telluride. Congrats.
ES_Revenge wrote: Oh really eh? Didn't know that about the newer Q7. That's kinda crappy. You really don't need a spare if you use run-flats but there are the caveats of more expensive and the harsher ride. Run-flats aren't really that expensive these days though, they're a bit more pricey but nothing like they were 20 years ago when they were like 2x the price of regular tyres. Nowadays they're a mild premium I'd say. Seen lots of run flats I could have reasonably bought in summer and winter types with pricing that was not obscene. Granted that wasn't in Q7 sizing though so you may be more seeing the effect of having 19-20" wheels than anything. That said, doesn't the Venza have that size of wheel stock as well?

Ya I put the Q7 into the Costco tire website and the only options were $450 a piece, lol. I think they are crazy wide. This presents an issue, the tires on the one I am looking at are currently 8/32. Also there is the matter of winter tires, which I will definitely be using. What about trips to the mountains in winter? No spare without killing cargo space or roof or hitch mounting one. When I have a trailer I can toss a spare in it which will work. So I'm pondering this.

Those guys don't get how much Q7 costs when new, especially these days. They're probably used to buying stuff like Hyundai, Toyota, etc. I'm guessing. Seems like you're getting a decent discount on it.

Yeah there's like two tiers now too I noticed, one is probably powertrain and the other is probably bumper to bumper. I swear it used to be like 4 years or something, bumper-to-bumper on Audi CPO. How times have changed. Since extended warranty is a huge profit centre perhaps your same "connection" can get it for you at a big discount--might be worth it then. Seems like there is Audi Care CPO as well (maintenance program) but only useful if the Q7 requires a lot of expensive maintenance items and if you're the type to bring a car to a stealership for service.

I've generally avoided extended warranties but depending in terms this may be the exception.

I'd say stay away from Telluride--"Telluride? Telluno!" lol. Didn't you see the other thread on Telluride? :lol: Only Palisades I'd be looking into is these guys :D But if you really think the Hyundai would be better that's up to you of course, but then we are also talking about new v. used which is also another story (not that the "lemon" Telluride story is anything reassuring though lol). If it were me I'd probably buy an Explorer instead of the Hyundai.
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Ya that is a concern. Palisade is made in SK vs US for Telluride though. Depreciation worries me more than a lemon, but it does have more space, spare tire, easier to maintain and to my knowledge better LKA etc.
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not sure how well Palisade drives/ride, but Q7 rides close to a luxury sedan with great sound insulation (21 inch wheels ruins the ride a bit) and handles okay without any steering feel

personally, i would take a more luxury ride vs. more/better gadgets or features if i have to choose
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Blubbs wrote:
Ya I put the Q7 into the Costco tire website and the only options were $450 a piece, lol. I think they are crazy wide. This presents an issue, the tires on the one I am looking at are currently 8/32. Also there is the matter of winter tires, which I will definitely be using. What about trips to the mountains in winter? No spare without killing cargo space or roof or hitch mounting one. When I have a trailer I can toss a spare in it which will work. So I'm pondering this.
Keep in mind Costco is not the only place to buy tyres and they are also not the cheapest either, they can be competitive at times but they're seldom the cheapest. If you'll be pulling a trailer anyway then yeah just getting regular tyres and keeping the spare in the trailer is a good idea. However will the cost of the extra tyre plus a wheel, be much cheaper in the end? I guess there's the idea that the spare will last longer (don't really care how old it gets 'cause it's a spare) and you might put it on a cheap steel wheel or maybe a cheap aftermarket/rep alloy, but if the run-flats are in the $400 range I'm not sure regular tyres won't be in the $300+ range too, but you'll have to price them out. Tyre pricing can wildly vary over just a small difference in size so tough to say what anything would cost.
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Ya that is a concern. Palisade is made in SK vs US for Telluride though. Depreciation worries me more than a lemon, but it does have more space, spare tire, easier to maintain and to my knowledge better LKA etc.
Oh interesting, didn't know they were getting built at different plants. Does the Telluride at least sell for cheaper given it might have NAFTA savings in it, or does Hyundai just price them around the same?

Depreciation is gonna come back to new v. used as well. Buying a new vehicle is most often a worse financial decision, according to basically all teachers of finance stuff lol. So even if in absolute terms you're talking about pricing that's not too different on one hand you're driving a nearly $100k vehicle and the other you're driving one that costs half that, it's just that you paid half for the $100k one and then full price on the $50k one. Of course you have to keep in mind that repairs on a $100k vehicle are going to cost what repairs on an expensive vehicle cost lol.

The Telluride may be larger but is it hugely so? I guess test drives and actual experience are in order, which is of course harder to do or impossible these days, unfortunately. Interestingly the Telluride and Q7 (with the 3.0L supercharged) have the exact same power-to-weight ratio, yet the Q7 is much quicker in reality and even then the Q7 is at the bottom of its own class (the 3.0 turbocharged and "mild hybrid" system in the new 2020 model make it more up to par though). I know you may not be that interested "speed" but the real-world difference makes for both more rated towing capacity as well as how the vehicle is gonna feel when it is weighed down with a trailer. It might be the difference between something that's more "straining" and disappointing to drive and something that's tolerable, speaking of when towing a trailer.

Anyway obviously only you are gonna be able to make the decision and as said what does suck now is limited and perhaps no ability, to test drive something. Depending on how long you can hold off, you may want to wait a few months as if things go back to "more normal" you might be able to make a better assessment and decision.

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