Again, I'm speaking from the perspective of a casual backpacker, someone new to the hobby, or someone who may not have several hundred dollars to invest in backpacking. I strongly believe that backpacking doesn't have to be "expensive to get into" unless you're hunting for weight savings. Weight is not the reason the Tungsten and the Limelight are more expensive- in fact, they both appear to be heavier than the Catalyst. The Limelight is the most liveable, the Tungsten kind of slots in the middle but they're all rather large tents. What I'm saying is that for someone who may only camp 2-3 times in the backcountry per year (like myself), I disagree that spending significantly more money on a lighter tent is worth it. The ROI just isn't there. We're not talking a few dollars here, we're talking about hundreds of dollars to get a more packable and lighter tent. Another poster suggested a BA Copper Spur... like c'mon.. that's $700, basically 4x the cost of this tent. And not to be argumentative, but rather out of genuine interest and because I think it could help a lot of people searching for a well-balanced tent, you mention some $200 tents that would be better than this one- which ones would that be?mikebc wrote: ↑ @lhsonic
The commenter asked for the difference between this and a Tungsten. Weight (and size) are why that costs more. Most people will be happy to swing the difference if they intend on getting use out of it. A tent is a once a decade purchase, shoes are more expensive so I don't follow the "can't afford it" logic. Backpacking is expensive to get into but I'm not recommending UL ounce shaving. Just make good decisions in the beginning to save in the long run.
In the $200 price range you can find good, light, small backpacking tents. This just isn't one of them, it will consume half your pack. However this is a fantastic tent and brand for car camping. At some point you do need to start counting pounds, if you want a big heavy tent then you'll have to pay more to skimp elsewhere. Shaving pounds out of packs and sleep systems gets really expensive and uncomfortable. so does lugging around a 50lb bag. So you'll start having to leave luxuries behind, which isn't enjoyable. I like my UL stool, camp shoes and flask of bourbon. Those weigh 2.5lb. I'm not ditching those to carry an oversized tent.
A 3P tent is definitely meant to be shared between at least 2 people, and up to 3, if you like being very cozy. Have one person carry the stakes and poles, another the fabric, and someone else the footprint (which is another discussion topic altogether). The weight is beyond reasonable for each person. Also, packed size is not crucially important because again, the components can be split between other people and because it's a flexible measurement. You can also crudely stuff your tent so that it fills up all the empty space.
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