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Nov 18th, 2018 2:30 pm

georgist [OP]: Jr. Member; Aug 27, 2018; 172 posts; 165 upvotes

Nov 18th, 2018 2:30 pm

Summer tires

I'm in Quebec. I change my tires each November / April, moving to full on winter tires over the winter. I'm not interested in "all season" tires because I want the full-on winter ones.

The flip side of this is that I'm compelled to change to "summer" tires. I'm looking for a new set for next spring and I see that most retailers simply do not sell "summer" tires.

For example this page for my boring but common car has only one "choice": https://www.4tires.ca/search/tires/summer/185-65-r15, and these are "touring". I'd just like a simple tire that performs well, is durable and is not compromised by having to work in winter, as my summer set never see snow.

Should I just be looking at "all season"? Or "all weather"?

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Nov 18th, 2018 3:57 pm

peteryorkuca: Deal Fanatic; Jul 26, 2007; 6341 posts; 3840 upvotes; Toronto

Nov 18th, 2018 3:57 pm

Summer tires have low UTQG rating below 400. They are sticky and have good grip, some great in wet but majority superior on dry pavement traction. After few seasons, you would need to buy a new set.

Unlike all season you hate, they have UTQG rating of 600+ some have 800 and lasts really long time like the Michelin Defender. Overall, they have great wet traction, ok on dry, spins in snow.

So if you want sticky tires that lasts for 1 or 2 seasons, get that summer tires for your track car.

Nov 18th, 2018 5:19 pm

georgist [OP]: Jr. Member; Aug 27, 2018; 172 posts; 165 upvotes

Nov 18th, 2018 5:19 pm

peteryorkuca wrote: ↑ Summer tires have low UTQG rating below 400. They are sticky and have good grip, some great in wet but majority superior on dry pavement traction. After few seasons, you would need to buy a new set.

Unlike all season you hate, they have UTQG rating of 600+ some have 800 and lasts really long time like the Michelin Defender. Overall, they have great wet traction, ok on dry, spins in snow.

So if you want sticky tires that lasts for 1 or 2 seasons, get that summer tires for your track car.

Thanks for the information. To be clear, I don't hate all season. I'm ignorant about tires and was under the impression that all season would wear quicker in the summer (my understanding is that winter tires wear badly at summer temperatures, and I'd extrapolated).

I just read up on the UTQG rating and see what you mean. The Altimax R43 have a rating of 700, come out top on the consumer reports tests and aren't that expensive:

https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/tires/pd ... 4657p.html

I have a boring car and I want it to brake well and have durable tires, not a track car.

Nov 18th, 2018 6:12 pm

derass: Deal Addict; Sep 8, 2017; 4561 posts; 4789 upvotes; GTA

Nov 18th, 2018 6:12 pm

Summer tires sacrifice wet performance for dry.

So I wouldn't recommend summer tires on the average, daily-driven car. All-seasons are a better choice.

Summer tires are a good choice for performance cars that only get driven on nice days.

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Nov 18th, 2018 11:58 pm

batcave: Deal Fanatic; Nov 14, 2003; 5283 posts; 3647 upvotes; LaLaLand

Nov 18th, 2018 11:58 pm

derass wrote: ↑ Summer tires sacrifice wet performance for dry.

So I wouldn't recommend summer tires on the average, daily-driven car. All-seasons are a better choice.

Summer tires are a good choice for performance cars that only get driven on nice days.

Summer tires perform in wet conditions as well as all season tires unless you're buying slicks. What summer tires aren't good for is if the temperature drops below 5 degrees C. For this reason OP should by all season tires.

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Nov 19th, 2018 12:24 am

derass: Deal Addict; Sep 8, 2017; 4561 posts; 4789 upvotes; GTA

Nov 19th, 2018 12:24 am

batcave wrote: ↑ Summer tires perform in wet conditions as well as all season tires unless you're buying slicks. What summer tires aren't good for is if the temperature drops below 5 degrees C. For this reason OP should by all season tires.

See my arguments here. In short, less sipes = more hydroplaning.

https://forums.redflagdeals.com/m-premi ... t-2206239/

Nov 19th, 2018 12:29 am

batcave: Deal Fanatic; Nov 14, 2003; 5283 posts; 3647 upvotes; LaLaLand

Nov 19th, 2018 12:29 am

Is this your internet research or what you've done on your car?

Nov 19th, 2018 12:33 am

derass: Deal Addict; Sep 8, 2017; 4561 posts; 4789 upvotes; GTA

Nov 19th, 2018 12:33 am

Yeah, my car. Track days with summer tires. When the track is damp in the morning, there's zero grip.

Siping isn't some kind internet myth, it's science. Why do you thing winter tires have a ton of siping, summers tires hardly have any, and all-season tires are in the middle. Why do slick tires hydroplane in the wet? Because there's no siping to evacuate the water.

Nov 19th, 2018 2:49 pm

peteryorkuca: Deal Fanatic; Jul 26, 2007; 6341 posts; 3840 upvotes; Toronto

Nov 19th, 2018 2:49 pm

batcave wrote: ↑ Summer tires perform in wet conditions as well as all season tires unless you're buying slicks. What summer tires aren't good for is if the temperature drops below 5 degrees C. For this reason OP should by all season tires.

He has slicks. My summer only tires are great in wet as well as sticky in dry pavement. It's classified as summer only but maybe the Conti sportconti6 are inferior summer tires.

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Nov 19th, 2018 3:01 pm

batcave: Deal Fanatic; Nov 14, 2003; 5283 posts; 3647 upvotes; LaLaLand

Nov 19th, 2018 3:01 pm

peteryorkuca wrote: ↑ He has slicks. My summer only tires are great in wet as well as sticky in dry pavement. It's classified as summer only but maybe the Conti sportconti6 are inferior summer tires.

Slicks ate good for donuts!

I currently have BF Goodrich summers, but had Michelin PS before and loved both of them on wet pavement.

The other thing about summer tires is storage. They have to be kept in temperature above 5 degrees C, or ideally warmer, otherwise the rubber compound will degrade and could be even dangerous to use after. If they can't be stored in a temperature controlled environment, they will only be good for one year.

Nov 19th, 2018 3:15 pm

sickcars: Deal Guru; Mar 13, 2004; 12770 posts; 4372 upvotes; Ontario

Nov 19th, 2018 3:15 pm

You probably want something like a Continental DWS or similar tire which would be good. Or maybe a Michelin pilot sport etc if you want performance.

I run the Hankook RS4 tires in the summer but I also track it. They are amazing in the dry but in deep water they are not as good as all seasons.

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Nov 19th, 2018 3:47 pm

peteryorkuca: Deal Fanatic; Jul 26, 2007; 6341 posts; 3840 upvotes; Toronto

Nov 19th, 2018 3:47 pm

Here is good video for those interested in Michelin summer tires.

Nov 20th, 2018 1:05 am

derass: Deal Addict; Sep 8, 2017; 4561 posts; 4789 upvotes; GTA

Nov 20th, 2018 1:05 am

My Bridgestone RE-71R are not slicks. They are extreme high-performance summer tires. Slicks are still another 3 performance categories higher.

Michelin doesn't make an EXP, but the RE-71R's would slot in between the Cup 2 (semi-R) and the PS4 (max-performance summer). That video doesn't compare against any all-season tires, but you can still see the trend that as tires gain dry performance, they lose wet performance.

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