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Switching out of traiiling commission mutual funds at discount brokerages

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  • Mar 28th, 2022 10:02 pm
[OP]
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Mar 31, 2017
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Switching out of traiiling commission mutual funds at discount brokerages

Okay, I know the banks are not our friends, but this seriously takes the cake. Now that the CSA ban on certain mutual funds with trailing commissions is close to coming into effect, it appears the discount brokerages are refusing any further transactions into said mutual funds. Fair enough. I held RBF563 the RBC CANADIAN GOVT BOND INDEX FUND (which had trailing commissions) in a non-registered account, which I used to 'sweep' in any surplus funds after my ETFs DRIP'd each month, then when I collected enough money in that mutual fund to make paying a commission worthwhile, I would buy more of whichever ETF I needed to rebalance back to my intended asset allocation. Easy peasy. Tried to do that in March - no go, couldn't buy in to that mutual fund at all. So I figure, okay, switch that fund to another one being offered without a trailing fund. I found RBF5120, the PH&N CANADIAN MONEY MARKET FUND F SERIES which looks like it would work the same way (allow small monthly purchases). When I set it up to switch, I was a bit startled to find that RBF5120 would cost me a commission, but okay, it has no trailing fees so I guess that's the way it works now. I set up the fund switch transaction to take the commission out of the funds being switched. I look at it today, and I'm in a negative position in the account, because the switch specified a certain number of units, but in the one day to settle the switch, the fund dropped in value. Doesn't this seem wrong? If I set the switch transaction to occur on a certain day at a certain value, shouldn't that be what actually happens? How can the customer be penalized for the fund losing value in the one day to settle the transaction?
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Feb 1, 2012
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Thunder Bay, ON
That seems strange. Switch for mutual funds is really just a simpler way to tell the broker to do a sell order followed by a buy order. I would expect the broker to sell your RBF563, then use the exact dollar value left from the sell transaction to buy RBF5120 (after allowing for the sell / buy commissions of course). I'd call the broker to check what caused the issue.

My understanding is that the fund companies plan to do an automatic conversion from trailer fee funds to the equivalent non-trailer fee fund. TD Asset Management has already sent me letters confirming the date and fund codes for the conversion of TD funds I hold.
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[OP]
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Mar 31, 2017
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Thanks, I think I will do that. And hold off on initiating switches of mutual funds in any of the other accounts (I manage a few for family members).
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Since you have been buying and selling mutual funds, I am sure you already know this, but, remember that mutual fund prices are determined at the end of each day after the markets close. All mutual fund buys and sells are based on closing NAV, which you won't ever know when placing a mutual fund order. When you placed the order, the price you saw would have been the prior days closing NAV.

You requested to sell a specific number of units at closing NAV instead of selling a specific dollar value. With the former, the cost is not known at the time of trade. For the latter, the number of units is not known at the time of trade.

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