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Telus would cut 5K jobs and $1B in spending if CRTC approves virtual wireless network operators

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Telus would cut 5K jobs and $1B in spending if CRTC approves virtual wireless network operators

Telus would cut 5K jobs and $1B in spending if CRTC approves virtual wireless network operators

Yes but probably more than 5K jobs and $1B spending might be created if it happens, through customer savings which they can then can be spent on other things and energizing the economy as well as 5K employees hired at MVNO's.

I hope the CRTC doesn't yield to this incessant whining by the telco's that built their companies on the backs of taxpayers in the first place (read the history of the Canadian telecom industry if you don't believe it).
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Telus is the same one, that is spreading lies that the price of phones are coming down too.
Put mvnos in because the big 3 keep the prices high , slightly competitive towards each other and are no different then Telco Cartels.
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Telus is the worst of the 3 IMO when it comes to keeping prices high. They already have a whole call center in the Philippines so I’m sure they will just ramp up the offshoring.

Such a greedy and pathetic CEO
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My response: Compete or die. If they want to cut spending, cool, someone else will just pick up the slack and come out ahead.

Just pathetic how hard these big companies will cry/scream when there's the possibility of someone checking their greed.
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This reminds me of how they (and especially Rogers) cried poverty when Verizon was kicking tires in Canada, but then as soon as that threat went away, they all went back to their old ways.
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I'm gonna sit back and watch the fallout after ppl sign up for these bring it back financing and in 2 years bring their phones back or payoff the phone. Phones are basically turning into car leases hehehe
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Call their bluff. I'm sure they said the same thing just before long distance rates got opened up.
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Telus can do whatever they want, do not stop progress.
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Rogers had a similar empty threat as well. At least they didn't hold 5000 jobs as hostage, but i wouldn't be surprised if they eventually say the same thing.
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I don't see why this is a surprise.

When regulations take the profitability out of an investment, the only logical step is to scale back investment. Reduced profitability will result in a slower rollout. 5g will still come if companies are forced to share with MVNOs, but it will take longer, and won't spread as deep into rural areas.
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i6s1 wrote: I don't see why this is a surprise.

When regulations take the profitability out of an investment, the only logical step is to scale back investment. Reduced profitability will result in a slower rollout. 5g will still come if companies are forced to share with MVNOs, but it will take longer, and won't spread as deep into rural areas.
This is why the government should develop its own ministry of telecom infrastructure, annul the spectrum auction results, and handle the rollout themselves. We don't let some profit-seeking oligopoly build and control all of our national highways, and we shouldn't let one do so with our broadband infrastructure either. All those fired employees would have jobs, we'd have reasonable prices, and the big 3 would actually have a competitor they couldn't buy out like they did with the last round of MVNOs.
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So basically, "if we're forced to be competitive, we'll have to cut jobs in order to maintain our profit levels, rather than taking a little bit less profit and preserving jobs". At least they're being honest. The sooner we get MVNOs in, the better.
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A pathetic and inept intimidation attempt by Telus...

Does anyone still actually believe this sh*t? :)
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wearysky wrote: So basically, "if we're forced to be competitive, we'll have to cut jobs in order to maintain our profit levels, rather than taking a little bit less profit and preserving jobs". At least they're being honest. The sooner we get MVNOs in, the better.
I don't know what you'd expect. If any company has a project, and suddenly the potential profit changes dramatically, they're going to rethink their plans. They're going to cut back anything that isn't expected to make an adequate profit.
Tichi wrote: A pathetic and inept intimidation attempt by Telus...

Does anyone still actually believe this sh*t? :)
Oh, I do. Absolutely. Why would any company continue with a project that's going to be minimally profitable? Does your company operate this way?
Piro21 wrote: This is why the government should develop its own ministry of telecom infrastructure, annul the spectrum auction results, and handle the rollout themselves. We don't let some profit-seeking oligopoly build and control all of our national highways, and we shouldn't let one do so with our broadband infrastructure either. All those fired employees would have jobs, we'd have reasonable prices, and the big 3 would actually have a competitor they couldn't buy out like they did with the last round of MVNOs.
Oh sure. The government could buy the major telcos at market rates in a hostile takeover, combine the infrastructure, sell of the retail/operations side to recoupe some of the initial investment. They could operate the network - Cable, Tel, FTTH, and wireless - at set rates to all retailers.

But they won't do that. It's easier just let the large companies build the networks, then force them to share the profits with other companies that provide effectively nothing to the capital cost.
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Piro21 wrote: This is why the government should develop its own ministry of telecom infrastructure, annul the spectrum auction results, and handle the rollout themselves. We don't let some profit-seeking oligopoly build and control all of our national highways, and we shouldn't let one do so with our broadband infrastructure either. All those fired employees would have jobs, we'd have reasonable prices, and the big 3 would actually have a competitor they couldn't buy out like they did with the last round of MVNOs.
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I recall the government limiting your choices to only 4 carriers and have to be Canadian-owned or some bs. Everytime you see a consolidation of industries or companies, it is not the government that you should request regulation from...

"Canada’s rules came into effect in 1993. As it stands now, foreign ownership of a telecommunications company is limited to no more than 20 per cent of a company’s voting shares and no more than 33.3 per cent of the voting shares of a carrier’s holding company, and an effective total limit of 46.7 per cent (as long as the foreign entity doesn’t have control). On top of that, at least 80 per cent of the board members must be Canadian citizens.

Canada kept these strict rules even as international telecommunications market started to shed protectionism in 1997, when 69 countries, including the U.S., committed to opening up markets through a World Trade Organization agreement."

Brother, every single time someone complains why they pay so high, oligopoly bla bla, you can always point to the source.
Lobbyist. Tax revenues. Special interests. Protectionism,
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wearysky wrote: So basically, "if we're forced to be competitive, we'll have to cut jobs in order to maintain our profit levels, rather than taking a little bit less profit and preserving jobs". At least they're being honest. The sooner we get MVNOs in, the better.
they might as well threaten to layoff everyone and close their doors.
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Yindare wrote: ???
I recall the government limiting your choices to only 4 carriers and have to be Canadian-owned or some bs. Everytime you see a consolidation of industries or companies, it is not the government that you should request regulation from...

"Canada’s rules came into effect in 1993. As it stands now, foreign ownership of a telecommunications company is limited to no more than 20 per cent of a company’s voting shares and no more than 33.3 per cent of the voting shares of a carrier’s holding company, and an effective total limit of 46.7 per cent (as long as the foreign entity doesn’t have control). On top of that, at least 80 per cent of the board members must be Canadian citizens.

Canada kept these strict rules even as international telecommunications market started to shed protectionism in 1997, when 69 countries, including the U.S., committed to opening up markets through a World Trade Organization agreement."

Brother, every single time someone complains why they pay so high, oligopoly bla bla, you can always point to the source.
Lobbyist. Tax revenues. Special interests. Protectionism,
I don't see at all how the citizenship of shareholders has anything to do with the price to the end user.

It only affects the stock price, since theoretically there's a smaller pool of buyers.
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Samshares wrote: They shed jobs all the time and then add me back, not like most of the retail jobs are of quality anyway..... Wouldn’t be first time, crying wolf shouldn’t be allowed.
A 5g network doesn't get built by low-quality retail jobs.
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Piro21 wrote: This is why the government should develop its own ministry of telecom infrastructure, annul the spectrum auction results, and handle the rollout themselves. We don't let some profit-seeking oligopoly build and control all of our national highways, and we shouldn't let one do so with our broadband infrastructure either. All those fired employees would have jobs, we'd have reasonable prices, and the big 3 would actually have a competitor they couldn't buy out like they did with the last round of MVNOs.
You know that telecom used to be the government's responsibility, right? Why do you think this would work any better than it did up until the 70s?

Without any competition, what would the government's incentive be to improve their products let alone offer decent customer service? You think calling in to a nationalized telecom would be a better experience than calling CRA? You think it would work better than Canada Post? Are you a fan of the LCBO and Beer Store? Imagine the tax increases to fund a 5G and eventual 6G rollout. Better yet, imagine these rollouts being delayed due to funding cuts.

As for highways, maybe you should look in to who owns the 407 (as just one example). Here's a hint - it's not the government.

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