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Time to start Canadian manufacturing!

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cybercavalier wrote: Making mask is one thing. As you make your scope of manufacturing of PPE to of all, may I know what your ideas about domestic manufacturing of any in this nation?
For my part, I am getting busy in real life so I am backing off from this discussion.
I'm not for it or against it, but has to have realistic expectations.

I think it will only be done by products which are highly automated will be made here. Like I've said, I've been to factories that cut down their employees by 98%, it's crazy when you walk into a 200,000 square foot facility and it only has 10 employees and there are robots all around. Exception are unionized (pretty much only automotive industry) or highly government subsidized. For the rest of the products the reason it went to China in the first place is because of cheap labor. Now China labor is too expensive and their country isn't even as interested in cheap labor as much. Our sourcing have moved onto other countries over a decade ago Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, Bangladesh and somewhat India. There are 200+ countries, and for most products it will go to all the cheaper labor countries first before it will come back to Canada and that is due to economics. There are literally over 100+ countries that will get these manufacturing jobs before it comes back home.

Canada Goose is an anomoly, as people are willing to pay a premium for a Canadian made product from all over the world. There are a few other examples too I'm sure.

Personally, I would say learn a new skill if you want a good living wage. Go into IT, construction, teaching, nursing, warehousing, logistics, automotive for now, etc as there are lots of great jobs that pay really really well out there. F%^$ these manufacturing jobs and move forward, that's why our eyes are in front of our eyes.
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cybercavalier wrote: what manufacturing are we thinking? After this pandemic, shall manufacturing PPE domestically be a consensus? Or after the report on five eyes' dependence on China for strategic goods, shall some domestic manufacturing be domestic?
I say after pandemic, stockpile a reserve of about 1-2 years supply whether sourced locally or elsewhere (whichever can deliver the goods on time and at a price that's reasonable). That gives us time to adhoc our factories to make masks if needed and we won't be in the same situation. It should manufactured domestically only if it makes financial sense. I don't know the costs so I can't take a side, but if a company is producing it here and it costs double of what other countries charge, well buy it elsewhere as we can double our stockpile. If it is the same cost, then buy locally to support local business.

Another problem of manufacturing here is how to scale it. If we invest and start factories here that can produce 3.5 billion masks per year and the demand jumps off a cliff, factory closures and bankruptcy will be inevitable. If we have factories that can produce 35 million masks per year it's inadequate if something else comes down the road 10 years from now and will be impossible to scale up to what is needed. Most likely production capacity will be close to what the market needs.

I say stockpile is the solution just like our toilet paper and canned foods. Doesn't matter from where. "Black cat, brown cat, white cat doesn't matter, the good cat is the one that catches the mice."
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elephantrider wrote: I say stockpile is the solution just like our toilet paper and canned foods. Doesn't matter from where. "Black cat, brown cat, white cat doesn't matter, the good cat is the one that catches the mice."
Mmm.. the source of the quote?
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cybercavalier wrote: Mmm.. the source of the quote?
I heard it from a girl in conversation at an event I attended.
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FYI,
Stratfor explains Canada's primary geographic challenge of unifying its dispersed population across its vast territory.
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FreshCo wrote: This only works if Canadian manufacturing firms can win contracts over places like China and other low cost producers. If there is a concerted effort by governments and big businesses to support Canadian, then it's possible.
There is no way any Canadian based manufacturing firm can win contracts based on price, unless your willing to lower the min wage. Even at that, the bigger issue is whether consumers will want to pay 5x the price just because something is made in Canada.

Wonder how much IPhones would retail for if it’s all made in Canada.
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cybercavalier wrote: FYI,
I once noticed that Canadians are quite different from other developed nations in that they don't really rely on each other for physical goods on the national level. Provinces are either self-sufficient for their own needs, or they trade directly with the United States due to the proximity of the vast majority of their populations. This may explain why inter-provincial trade hasn't been a popular topic in recent decades. Canada's vague sense of national identity is partly due to lack of internal trade.
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Canada will never have a large capacity for manufacturing at competitive market pricing.Stop dreaming.Population is small,trade skills are lacking,too much taxes and redtape,too close to the US where they can undercut overhead cost.If we do manufacture its for local consumption.Under Trump China been the boogie man for his so call Make America Great Again BS so some companies are relocating out of China to other asian countries,not back to the US.If Trump loses companies will again reopen in China.The profits are too tempting.People here already crying about $900 Canada Goose Jackets or $1000 Arcteryx jackets so give me a break Canadians are willing to pay more for made in Canada items.
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Have you guys used products made in Canada? Mostly they are garbage. Furniture made in Canada worst than stuff from China. GMC vehicles? Canadians aren't good at manufacturing things.
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loserga wrote: I once noticed that Canadians are quite different from other developed nations in that they don't really rely on each other for physical goods on the national level. Provinces are either self-sufficient for their own needs, or they trade directly with the United States due to the proximity of the vast majority of their populations. This may explain why inter-provincial trade hasn't been a popular topic in recent decades. Canada's vague sense of national identity is partly due to lack of internal trade.
Well, information technology including the internet may help bring the identity better. IT erase the physical distance constraints. For example, could Amazon.ca compile the numbers and stats about the sales of toilet paper in Newfoundland and forecast its sales in the second wave? Then with grocery stores including Wal-mart and Costco, could Irving send Royale toilet paper and Cascades paper towel in quanta?
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miningminer wrote: Have you guys used products made in Canada? Mostly they are garbage. Furniture made in Canada worst than stuff from China. GMC vehicles? Canadians aren't good at manufacturing things.
Disagree. Good products can be made anywhere. Are people willing to pay for a well made product? Generally, not. Cheaper and good enough for most people are the priorities and what we see in the market reflects that.
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maple1 wrote: Disagree. Good products can be made anywhere. Are people willing to pay for a well made product? Generally, not. Cheaper and good enough for most people are the priorities and what we see in the market reflects that.
I'd disagree with that one, we can't compare to manufacturing from places like China. We don't have the expertise, the technology, skilled labor, etc. With enough investment sure, we could eventually produce a similar product, likely at 2x the cost of a Made in USA product.
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miningminer wrote: I'd disagree with that one, we can't compare to manufacturing from places like China. We don't have the expertise, the technology, skilled labor, etc. With enough investment sure, we could eventually produce a similar product, likely at 2x the cost of a Made in USA product.
We are saying the same thing in different ways. Quality is based upon meeting specifications. That can be done anywhere. But is the investment in training, equipment and labour going to be made if the marketplace isn't willing to pay the prices to justify that investment for a business?
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Well, shall we start one merchandise or service at a time?
  1. One eye glass cleaner sold in Walmart consists of glycol ether, baking soda, fragrance and deionized water. Deionized water is cheap, available in any laboratory. Fragrance is available at health or aromatherapy stores which are many in the country. Glycol ethers are available in paint industry. Why is the solution made in the USA while it can be made locally?
  2. Official shopping apps can communicate with each other to price match for you. The customer inside one grocery store use the barcode scanner to scan the item and the app price matches itself. When the customer checks out, the app produces a list of matched merchandises. The cashier scan those merchandises and other additional ones.
  3. Ear cleaning: a trained and certified specialist cleans the ears and is available for booking at the family physician. The specialist oneself travels from one office or hospial to another to service the community or has one's office inside a grocery store such as WM and Costco, like the optometrist.
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