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leoo wrote: It may not take that long...

Sweden's coronavirus pandemic 'may be finished': Danish researcher
https://www.thelocal.com/20200919/swede ... researcher
That's nonsense as we already know the antibodies don't last for more than 3 months.

It looks like the Swedes are badly trying to self-justify their erroneous actions. (TheLocal is a Swedish website)
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lpin14 wrote: The Swedish model, which I'm an advocate off,
The Swedish model has already been debunked by every epidemiologist in the world who DOESN'T work for the Swedish Government. Face With Tears Of Joy
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Pete_Coach wrote: Quack? Based on what?

For taking advice from the medical community?
For complying with epidemiologists?
For listening to doctors and health experts in Canada and internationally (except for the US)?
For using the most up to date information from experts, Canadian and international, to make announcements?
For being cautious?
For setting broad rules and regulations and letting Provinces refine and administer them?
For closing borders and restricting travel to prevent or lessen spreading of the virus?

Why is she a quack??
For waiting so looooong to finally close the borders and finally advising use of the masks
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reefer123 wrote: For waiting so looooong to finally close the borders and finally advising use of the masks
So looooooong??? So wrooooooong LOL
Get some facts.

Canada closed borders in mid March. https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/world/ca ... index.html

Told people they should wear masks mid May https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/masks- ... -1.5576895
The Government cannot give to anybody anything that the Government does not first take from somebody else.
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konfusion666 wrote: (TheLocal is a Swedish website)
By that definition, we should ignore everything the CBC says about the Canadian response. Wouldn't be a bad idea Face With Tears Of Joy
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konfusion666 wrote:
That's nonsense as we already know the antibodies don't last for more than 3 months.

It looks like the Swedes are badly trying to self-justify their erroneous actions. (TheLocal is a Swedish website)
konfusion666 wrote: The Swedish model has already been debunked by every epidemiologist in the world who DOESN'T work for the Swedish Government. Face With Tears Of Joy
The epidemiologist in the article is from Denmark, for starters.
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Jenny1975 wrote: The epidemiologist in the article is from Denmark, for starters.
I think his point was that Sweden is not Eden.
"Sweden, when it is estimated about 70% of its population would have protective antibodies against the virus, but blood surveys of residents of Malmö in April estimate that only 4% of the city’s population have those antibodies. The number for Stockholm is 17%."
https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid ... nt-believe
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reefer123 wrote: Yes as you pointed out the timeline - so long
They passed on the information when they got it. They did not have the advantage of hindsight.
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Pete_Coach wrote: They passed on the information when they got it. They did not have the advantage of hindsight.
Yes they had , Asia and Europe gave them .
I do not remember in which thread has this been discussed (with news links etc.) , but when others where closing and recommending masks - Tam was saying silly things
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reefer123 wrote: Yes they had , Asia and Europe gave them .
I do not remember in which thread has this been discussed (with news links etc.) , but when others where closing and recommending masks - Tam was saying silly things
OK :facepalm:
Reaction to Corona Virus was dealt with when it became evident it was within the country and they used information from other countries. Canada along with the US made announcements mid March.
European countries were affected a month earlier.
https://www.nytimes.com/article/coronav ... eline.html

Point was and is, your comment against Dr Tam is a personal discriminatory problem.
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jjblast wrote: So wouldn't nations with massive outbreaks be hitting that 'herd immunity, like the US, Brazil, India, etc...?
There are signs that cases and deaths are slowing down in Brazil, even with little restrictions and open borders:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... ry/brazil/

India had a hard lockdown early so they haven’t reached the peak yet:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india

I’m not sure about the US. Since they have states with hard lockdowns and others with almost no restrictions, it’s difficult to take any conclusions from their situation.

With almost 6 times Canada’s population, Brazil isn’t the best comparison to our situation but apparently the pandemic started there in big cities, later spreading to the interior. Numbers have decreased in these large urban centers a while ago but total numbers weren’t reduced because the interior was/is registering most cases.

This article from June explains it better:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN23X2PJ
The virus initially came to Brazil through airports and spread mostly in its largest cities, but since late May it has been spreading faster in the interior of the country.

Last week, 60% of new cases were registered in smaller cities, according to health ministry data. Deaths are also rising outside of the major cities, and now account for about half of all daily deaths in Brazil.
I’m curious to see what happens in Brazil now, if the down trend is really confirmed or if cases start growing again.
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jjblast wrote: So wouldn't nations with massive outbreaks be hitting that 'herd immunity, like the US, Brazil, India, etc...?
There's no herd immunity without a vaccine. Don't believe the misinformation that leoo is peddling.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-020-00451-5
With flu pandemics, herd immunity is usually attained after two to three epidemic waves, each interrupted by the typical seasonality of influenza virus and more rarely by interventions, with the help of cross-protection through immunity to previously encountered influenza viruses, and vaccines when available10. For COVID-19, which has an estimated infection fatality ratio of 0.3–1.3%1,5, the cost of reaching herd immunity through natural infection would be very high, especially in the absence of improved patient management and without optimal shielding of individuals at risk of severe complications. Assuming an optimistic herd immunity threshold of 50%, for countries such as France and the USA, this would translate into 100,000–450,000 and 500,000–2,100,000 deaths, respectively.
The U.S. is nowhere near 500k dead.
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I'm not trying to convince people of anything, I'm just pointing out that there are other views opposed the official narrative.
The number of cases slowing down in Brazil with little restrictions is a FACT that will confirmed or disputed soon enough.
Perhaps it's time for me to take a break from this forum and enjoy my time working abroad. Great deals and fewer crowds so I can't complain. Smiling Face With Sunglasses

The above poster is a bitter and terrified person who likely lives in fear in the basement and yells at everyone who wants to travel and/or enjoy life.
He/she is going to have a breakdown when the borders eventually reopen or flu season comes.

konfusion666, if you're extremely vulnerable and part of the risk group, stay safe! People won't endure the hard lockdowns you want/need until a vaccine is widely distributed.

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