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Tuition bursary reshuffling screws mature students

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Tuition bursary reshuffling screws mature students

http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2012 ... 26996.html
Andrew Castaneda isn't looking for a handout. He just wants mature students to be considered for a new Ontario tuition grant that helps undergraduate students.

Castaneda, 28, is a third-year student in political science and urban development at the University of Western Ontario.

He isn't eligible for the grant that was a $420-million election promise by the Ontario Liberal government.

When details about the grant were announced in December, Castaneda was "beyond ecstatic" about receiving a tuition rebate that would relieve some of his student debt.

But when Castaneda returned to Western after Christmas break, a financial aid officer told him he wouldn't qualify for the grant because he's a mature student.

"It was a surprise because it seems like the students that aren't included are the ones that need it the most."

In addition to mature students, the grant excludes part-time students and students at private colleges.

The annual rebate is $730 for college students and $1,600 for university. Rebates for the current school year apply to the second semester because the grant program started Jan. 5.

To qualify for the grant, students have to come from families with a combined annual income of under $160,000 and have graduated from high school within the last four years.

About 300,000 students -- one-third of the province's college and university students -- will benefit from the grant, the Ministry of Training, Colleges and Universities says.

"This grant is helping many undergraduate students and their families make the transition from high school to university," ministry spokesperson Tanya Blazina said via e-mail.

The Canadian Federation of Students said the rules are unfair and the Liberal government should have made across-the-board cuts to tuition fees.

The government cut financial awards such as the Ontario Textbook and Technology Grant, Queen Elizabeth II Scholarships and Ontario Trust for Student Supports.

The textbook grant was one award that Castaneda qualified for. Although only $150, it was money that helped.

"Now that it's gone, that's money I could've used for books, but won't have the chance," he said.

Blazina said the ministry is aware not all students are included and "hopes to address that need as efficiently as possible in the coming year while being aware of financial restraints."

Glen Tigert, associate registrar at Western, said all students enrolled at UWO are eligible for internal bursaries if they show financial need, including mature students. More than $10 million is available annually through bursaries.

"Whether you're a mature student or a student coming out of high school, if you have financial need, you're treated on the same basis."

Castaneda estimates he receives $1,000 to $1,500 in bursaries annually, applied to his tuition.

This is his second crack at post-secondary education. Castaneda came from Waterloo to study at Fanshawe College before dropping out of the general arts program when he realized it wasn't for him.

He stayed in London, working in call centres for six years to make ends meet and save for his return to school in 2007.

Castaneda has a student debt of about $30,000.

"My credit has been run through the rinse cycle in my time as a mature student because you can't get everything paid exactly on time," he said.

Though the province is helping relieve financial pressures some students face, more needs to be done, he said.

"They can say they're cutting tuition, but it comes with a very large asterisk."
So Dalton fulfills his campaign promise by gutting the textbook and QE grants, and reshuffling them into a tuition rebate that only applies to 1/3 of the students.. And it applies to households making $100,000-$150,000, meanwhile I barely scraped in $12,000 last year while trying to pursue my education and I'm cut out?

AND THEY TOOK AWAY MY $150 TEXTBOOK GRANT

What is this crap?
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vaportrails wrote: http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2012 ... 26996.html



So Dalton fulfills his campaign promise by gutting the textbook and QE grants, and reshuffling them into a tuition rebate that only applies to 1/3 of the students.. And it applies to households making $100,000-$150,000, meanwhile I barely scraped in $12,000 last year while trying to pursue my education and I'm cut out?

AND THEY TOOK AWAY MY $150 TEXTBOOK GRANT

What is this crap?

I'm in the same boat. Not particularly impressed, but I'll luckily (finally...hopefully) be done school this April.
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I have one more year ahead of me unless I land a decent job in that time, then I'll have to finish up my last few credits doing online or evening classes.

Definitely sucks.. Oh well, at least we have OSOG.
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I encourage everyone (even if not qualified) to apply for this new grant. If it asks you what year you graduated from high school, just put down 2008 or later. You never know when government incompetence can apply in your favour.

These Liberals are at it again. They concealled measures from the public like the HST, and Eco-fee and now they're doing it for this grant. Even during the election, the Liberals didn't say that there will be conditions attached.

This is why I dont vote Liberal
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I'm one of those who also got screwed over, this sucks.
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vaportrails wrote: Oh well, at least we have OSOG.

It's kind of a raw deal but getting $4000 a year from OSOG is nothing to sneeze at. If they take away OSOG then we'll really have something to complain about
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This is why you don't vote Liberal. People were stupid enough to trust Mcguinty even the province is broke with $260 billion of debt. The people that voted for Mcguinty got what they deserved.
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Hitman21 wrote: This is why you don't vote Liberal. People were stupid enough to trust Mcguinty even the province is broke with $260 billion of debt. The people that voted for Mcguinty got what they deserved.

And the ones who didn't vote for McGuinty..? Still got it.
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vaportrails wrote: http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2012 ... 26996.html



So Dalton fulfills his campaign promise by gutting the textbook and QE grants, and reshuffling them into a tuition rebate that only applies to 1/3 of the students.. And it applies to households making $100,000-$150,000, meanwhile I barely scraped in $12,000 last year while trying to pursue my education and I'm cut out?

AND THEY TOOK AWAY MY $150 TEXTBOOK GRANT

What is this crap?

How else were they going to fund this rebate?

The money always has to come from somewhere else.
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I wish he used the money to decrease tuition fees in Ontario. Everyone wins, including graduate students like me.
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DrXenon wrote: I got news for you: tuition will never go down. The Liberals needed a way to get the idiot student vote and blunt the outcry that's going to come when they raise the tuition caps. Either profs need to get paid less (salaries are easily 80% of any university's budget), or students need to pay more. I don't need to tell you who's going to win that one.

Students already agreed to pay $50 per semester more at ryerson for some student services that should be already included in the fees we pay and yet complain about tuition. I don't get it.
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DrXenon wrote: I got news for you: tuition will never go down. The Liberals needed a way to get the idiot student vote and blunt the outcry that's going to come when they raise the tuition caps. Either profs need to get paid less (salaries are easily 80% of any university's budget), or students need to pay more. I don't need to tell you who's going to win that one.

That I know. With increasing student enrollment every year, the university business is becoming a lucrative one.
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I understand your frustration, as I didn't get it either. But let's look at the bright side, at least somebody got it, and I don't think it's 1/3.
I wish he used the money to decrease tuition fees in Ontario. Everyone wins, including graduate students like me.
Don't forget that even Quebec is increasing the tuition by $325 per year for the next 5 years. With the current budget deficit, I don't think that a decrease in tuition is something we should hope for.
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dankup wrote: And the ones who didn't vote for McGuinty..? Still got it.

They still got screwed because they got mcguinty
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[QUOTE]To qualify for the grant, students have to come from families with a combined annual income of under $160,000 and have graduated from high school within the last four years.[/QUOTE]

Seriously? If your family makes a combined annual income of $159,000, you are in need of a tuition rebate?
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RodDog999 wrote: Seriously? If your family makes a combined annual income of $159,000, you are in need of a tuition rebate?
Rich people still pays taxes that are used for OSAP, they should be able to get a rebate
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Hitman21 wrote: Rich people still pays taxes that are used for OSAP, they should be able to get a rebate

No one cares. Liberals all the way!
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-Skyline- wrote: No one cares. Liberals all the way!

Your liberals will bankrupt the province and you will end paying much more than the $800 in taxes later on.
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Hitman21 wrote: Rich people still pays taxes that are used for OSAP, they should be able to get a rebate
So basically you want everyone to the get the bursary, or no one to get it?

Do you not believe in helping poorer people so they have the same options as those more fortunate?

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