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Turning right with green indicator arrow

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Turning right with green indicator arrow

I tried searching the web for answers but there's no clear distinct answer and 311 doesn't have any clear answers.

The situation is I'm approaching an intersection with a red light camera where j want to turn right. The circle indictator for the direction I'm travelling is red but when I reach the white line there is a fourth circle below the red with a green arrow pointing for a right turn so I proceed to slow down but don't come to a complete stop and make my right turn as well the car doing the same behind me.

I'm assuming we have the right turn arrow because traffic going perpendicular to my route has an advanced green for left turns and the pedestrians have the stop signal to not walk.

My concern is am I supposed to come to a complete stop before making this indicated right turn or does that defeat the purpose of the indictator arrow?

I know that I'll find out in 30 days if a ticket shows up in the mail but just for piece of mind if anyone can shed some light on this scenario

Thanks !
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If there is a green right turn signal, you don't need to stop.
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That is what I was thinking or it would defeat the purpose but the customer service rep at 311 said you still have to stop completely but couldn't cite a source which made me worry that infact I was going to get slapped worth a 325 ticket
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Green arrows are funny things........the rule says no one can move accept for those with the green arrow. When there is an advanced green arrow to turn left it is technically an offence to stop at the red and then turn right.
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andrewmay9 wrote: That is what I was thinking or it would defeat the purpose but the customer service rep at 311 said you still have to stop completely but couldn't cite a source which made me worry that infact I was going to get slapped worth a 325 ticket
No stop required, the red is telling every other direction to stop, right turn go
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No I'm in Toronto.

Just read through that thread.

Just anxious because don't want to have to deal with a ticket
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andrewmay9 wrote: No I'm in Toronto.

Just read through that thread.

Just anxious because don't want to have to deal with a ticket
If you have a green right arrow, and you're turning right, that means you have a green light. Treat it like you have a green light. "Right turn on red" is treated like a stop sign, so it would make no sense to have a green light that you have to stop at.

If you're turning right on a green right arrow (or left on a green left arrow), and you come to a complete stop at the line, the guy behind is probably going to rear end you...
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andrewmay9 wrote: No I'm in Toronto.

Just read through that thread.

Just anxious because don't want to have to deal with a ticket
I’m not going to bother looking things up again for Ontario, but in Alberta you can proceed without stopping when you have a green arrow. That’s the point to the arrow, as opposed to allowing “right on red” turns (which is allowed everywhere that’s not specifically disallowed by sign or signal).

In any case, you’ll either get a ticket or you won’t. Knowing the right answer now won’t change that. You could also call your local “non-emergency” police line, or in my area, there’s local precincts that have FB presences that you can contact. A 311 operator probably knows about as much as you do when it comes to traffic laws. But they might be able to direct you to your local traffic signalling department for someone who installed the lights and their purpose...

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CNeufeld wrote: Do you have two threads going?

https://forums.redflagdeals.com/right-t ... n-2285278/

I posted a link in there for Alberta, stating you don’t need to stop.

Give a location if you want an accurate response

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No, OP is not me. He’s talking about green arrows, my thread was about black signs. Re reading my OP though I now understand why you started talking about green arrows. Miscommunication there.
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Andy34 wrote: No, OP is not me. He’s talking about green arrows, my thread was about black signs. Re reading my OP though I now understand why you started talking about green arrows. Miscommunication there.
The black and white sign in your case simply indicates that the right lane is a right hand turn lane. If there was not right turn on red, you would have a sign specifically for that, like:

https://images.app.goo.gl/ioKX33VnebaA7Xst6
https://images.app.goo.gl/C7LFNjFGSNXRLGzS8
https://images.app.goo.gl/iRdbaNFpHoXYEqyo9

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I know for sure if you don't stop or travel over 10kmh while making a right turn, the red light camera will get you.

Safest way would be to do a complete stop because you never know if the advance green had just turned off while you are turning.

What I been doing at my red light camera front of my place is slow down to crawl or stop then process on red or advance green. So far no ticket.
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QTheNukes wrote: Green arrows are funny things........the rule says no one can move accept for those with the green arrow. When there is an advanced green arrow to turn left it is technically an offence to stop at the red and then turn right.
But then how do people turning right know the opposite way has a advance left turn green? That's what I found confusing.

In all other instances, would the left turner have to give way to the right turner from the opposite way? (when there isn't a stop, or a stop with no advance left turn).

To me it always made sense the left turner would have the right of way and the right turner would give way, since it's harder to turn left as you must wait for opposite traffic going forward (in an intersection with no lights, or just a T intersection.
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peteryorkuca wrote: I know for sure if you don't stop or travel over 10kmh while making a right turn, the red light camera will get you.

Safest way would be to do a complete stop because you never know if the advance green had just turned off while you are turning.

What I been doing at my red light camera front of my place is slow down to crawl or stop then process on red or advance green. So far no ticket.
That's bad camera design then. A green right means you have right of way to turn right. if the camera doesn't take it into account, someone should get fired.

Now I will always be weary of green right turns with cameras. So annoying.
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andrewmay9 wrote: I tried searching the web for answers but there's no clear distinct answer and 311 doesn't have any clear answers.
311? You mean like the rude boys from Omaha, Nebraska? lol
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peteryorkuca wrote: I know for sure if you don't stop or travel over 10kmh while making a right turn, the red light camera will get you.

Safest way would be to do a complete stop because you never know if the advance green had just turned off while you are turning.

What I been doing at my red light camera front of my place is slow down to crawl or stop then process on red or advance green. So far no ticket.
I was recently making a right turn and had a solid green arrow allowing me to do so. However, just as I pulled up to the line the green arrow disappeared with no warning. I wasn't able to react fast enough (I wasn't speeding, but not slowed down enough to stop) and ended up going through the right turn on the red without stopping. This also happens to be an intersection with a camera. But I didn't notice any flash. When I went through the same intersection the next day, I noticed that after the green arrow disappears, the lights stay red for about a second and then the lights go green.

I also noticed at a different intersection (which also had a red light camera), three cars turned right without making any attempt to stop. The flash didn't go off at any time. Maybe our cameras here don't ticket for right turns (I'm in Edmonton btw).

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