Automotive

**UPDATE** some used car options - need some advice please!

  • Last Updated:
  • Feb 25th, 2021 10:47 pm
[OP]
Newbie
Dec 28, 2020
89 posts
28 upvotes

**UPDATE** some used car options - need some advice please!

***UPDATE Feb 24***
Dealer manager from AutoEpix called me back regarding my google review. Will post details in thread.

***UPDATE Feb 22****
So I literally just walked out of Auto Epix dealership (dufferin/lawrence).
I was taking a look at this guy right here and I really like it.
http://www.autotrader.ca/go/5-50547888. Buddy wanted to crunch numbers first before a test drive. Usually I'd fight it but I thought wth. It's listed for $18,888, let's see where he goes. Not many of the Infiniti Q70 on the market. Matter of fact, autotrader is pulling up only two of them and there's a huge price difference between the two. This one is much cheaper than the other.
I offered $17,500 and even went up to $18 and buddy kept absolutely firm. ($18,888 + $595 safety).

Some things to note: the carfax says it's an Ontario registered vehicle, but most early service records are showing Orlando, FL. Is this normal?
There was a "Glass Service" claim under accidents for $1300 in 2015. Dealer said they replaced the windshield.
Lastly, there are 4 owners total. The last 2 were Dec 2020, and Jan 2021.

Can you guys share some insight on this info? What do you think?


****UPDATE****

Initially I was tunnel visioned on a Lexus GS, but I've recently opened up my options. I've expanded my search to a few more vehicles. My choices are from all corners of the globe..... I know. I do need the space, hence the suv choices, but I can do with a good sized 4dr sedan as well. Have 3 children, one in a toddler seat and one of which is a teen so hell be driving his own vehicle within the next year anyways. If I can get some insight, specifically from those who have had first hand experience with any of these vehicles, I'd appreciate the help. Mainly reliability, quality and maintenance expense. Is it a good choice or not, and why?

As for my budget, let's just say I started out saying I'm going for something around 14-20k. (Santa fe XL, Accord), and now I'm looking at 30K vehicles. I'm sure you guys know how that goes lol. Ultimately I want family space and power for the cheapest price. Those are my main 2 wants. I can push 30k+, but I'd rather not. I'm not too picky with Interior design and up to date features.

Thanks for the knowledge in advance.

2015- 2017 Lexus GS
2016 Infiniti QX70
2017 - 2018 Genesis G70 or G80
2017 January XE or XF
2017 Ford Explorer
2016-2017 infiniti Q50
(I've also been checking out a few bmw 3 and 5 series but I've been reading that they are very expensive to maintain with repairs. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Last edited by Moneyhunt on Feb 24th, 2021 6:43 pm, edited 10 times in total.
116 replies
Deal Expert
User avatar
Jul 30, 2007
28495 posts
13832 upvotes
Toronto
Seems to me if this car has a clean history, the asking price of $33,000 is decent and fair. So, you can try to offer $31,800 + taxes and see. Somewhere in the $32,500 would be a good buy. I would suggest not to pay any admin fee and any other fees at all. At this mileage, you ought to find out if the tires and brakes are at the end of their lives.

If dealer does not allow you to test drive or have it inspected by your own mechanic, then do walk away. Don’t put any deposit down Until you have done your due diligence.
Last edited by booblehead on Feb 7th, 2021 4:19 am, edited 1 time in total.
Deal Addict
Aug 1, 2007
2113 posts
653 upvotes
Just like dealing with any 3rd party used car dealer/salesman, proceed with caution, keep your guards up and always challenge what they tell you, don't just take their word for it.
Few things to note about this listing..

1. They stated they are a no haggle dealership, so negotiating might be difficult.

2. Certification is an extra $699

3. The unit has been on the market since Sept/October, so you might be able to use that to your advantage

4. DO NOT - DO NOT - DO NOT leave a deposit or sign anything before you test drive the vehicle

5. Make sure you take it to your own mechanic or an APA approved mechanic for an independent inspection. They might ask for a deposit at this point, make sure they write the deposit is REFUNDABLE if you're not happy with the inspection results. If they don't allow it, walk way, there's something they don't want you to find out.

6. Take the VIN#, run your own carfax report. This way you can make sure the report has not be fudged and its up to date.
Deal Addict
User avatar
Oct 12, 2007
4988 posts
2400 upvotes
Ottawa
Good advice above.

Don't pump up its virtues - let the sales people do that. It's your job to let them know that you know that no vehicle is perfect or has everything and that you care about the things that the vehicle does and doesn't have. Also, ask them if the car has Apple Car Play or Android Auto (it doesn't) or ask about other features that are its shortcomings, like fuel economy, the size of its trunk, or its performance against its competitors (like the A6). Ask them if you should be concerned that Lexus has discontinued the GS. etc. etc.

Remember, as nice as the GS F Sport is (and it is a decent car), it's not perfect and you do have good options. Let them sell you the car, don't do the job for them.
[OP]
Newbie
Dec 28, 2020
89 posts
28 upvotes
CaptSmethwick wrote: Good advice above.

Don't pump up its virtues - let the sales people do that. It's your job to let them know that you know that no vehicle is perfect or has everything and that you care about the things that the vehicle does and doesn't have. Also, ask them if the car has Apple Car Play or Android Auto (it doesn't) or ask about other features that are its shortcomings, like fuel economy, the size of its trunk, or its performance against its competitors (like the A6). Ask them if you should be concerned that Lexus has discontinued the GS. etc. etc.

Remember, as nice as the GS F Sport is (and it is a decent car), it's not perfect and you do have good options. Let them sell you the car, don't do the job for them.
Good advice. Taken! Thanks
[OP]
Newbie
Dec 28, 2020
89 posts
28 upvotes
booblehead wrote: Seems to me if this car has a clean history, the asking price of $33,000 is decent and fair. So, you can try to offer $31,800 + taxes and see. Somewhere in the $32,500 would be a good buy. I would suggest not to pay any admin fee and any other fees at all. At this mileage, you ought to find out if the tires and brakes are at the end of their lives.

If dealer does not allow you to test drive or have it inspected by your own mechanic, then do walk away. Don’t put any deposit down Until you have done your due diligence.
So usually best to offer $1200 to say $1500 below asking price of a vehicle?
[OP]
Newbie
Dec 28, 2020
89 posts
28 upvotes
malecoke wrote: Just like dealing with any 3rd party used car dealer/salesman, proceed with caution, keep your guards up and always challenge what they tell you, don't just take their word for it.
Few things to note about this listing..

1. They stated they are a no haggle dealership, so negotiating might be difficult.

2. Certification is an extra $699

3. The unit has been on the market since Sept/October, so you might be able to use that to your advantage

4. DO NOT - DO NOT - DO NOT leave a deposit or sign anything before you test drive the vehicle

5. Make sure you take it to your own mechanic or an APA approved mechanic for an independent inspection. They might ask for a deposit at this point, make sure they write the deposit is REFUNDABLE if you're not happy with the inspection results. If they don't allow it, walk way, there's something they don't want you to find out.

6. Take the VIN#, run your own carfax report. This way you can make sure the report has not be fudged and its up to date.
Great advice! Thank you. Touching on #4....
So they may ask to leave a deposit or sign what exactly, to test drive the car? (Both i wouldn't do anyways). Im assuming they still ask for a copy of your license as well?
Jr. Member
Dec 1, 2014
177 posts
156 upvotes
Burlington, ON
booblehead wrote: You can opt for ES350
Ya, the ES350 should be a car to consider. You might find the GS 350 too big or seating position is just off (that's how I felt when I drove it).
Sr. Member
Apr 30, 2013
709 posts
389 upvotes
King City
FilaGuy wrote: Ya, the ES350 should be a car to consider. You might find the GS 350 too big or seating position is just off (that's how I felt when I drove it).
GS looks much nicer, imo.
Deal Expert
User avatar
Jul 30, 2007
28495 posts
13832 upvotes
Toronto
For ES350, with OP's budget of $33,000 range, he could get a MY2018 easily and with leftover factory warranty and fairly low mileage too.
Deal Guru
User avatar
Jul 12, 2003
11443 posts
3706 upvotes
Toronto
booblehead wrote: For ES350, with OP's budget of $33,000 range, he could get a MY2018 easily and with leftover factory warranty and fairly low mileage too.
Right, but OP clearly want a better car with that money he is willing to spend. lol


OP, yes they can take your DL for a photocopy, it is standard for dealership to do that when letting you to drive their cars. It is for insurance purpose, they need to make sure you are licensed in case you crash the car, their insurance will pay.
Retired Forum Moderator February 2009 - June 2015
Deal Expert
User avatar
Jul 30, 2007
28495 posts
13832 upvotes
Toronto
MP3_SKY wrote: Right, but OP clearly want a better car with that money he is willing to spend. lol


OP, yes they can take your DL for a photocopy, it is standard for dealership to do that when letting you to drive their cars. It is for insurance purpose, they need to make sure you are licensed in case you crash the car, their insurance will pay.
... but then when I sent a link (above post) for 2018, he laughed off of being way more $. So, either pay up to get the model you want or shop with your fixed budget to see what this $33K can get you in the Lexus lineup.
Deal Expert
User avatar
Jul 30, 2007
28495 posts
13832 upvotes
Toronto
LEXUS GS – CANADA – BY YEAR

Year sold
2012 924
2013 642
2014 480
2015 390
2016 415
2017 328
2018 213
2019 114
2020 35

The limitation here is the number of them out there.
[OP]
Newbie
Dec 28, 2020
89 posts
28 upvotes
Initially I was tunnel visioned on a Lexus GS, but I've recently opened up my options. I've expanded my search to a few more vehicles. My choices are from all corners of the globe..... I know. I do need the space, hence the suv choices, but I can do with a good sized 4dr sedan as well. Have 3 children, one in a toddler seat and one of which is a teen so hell be driving his own vehicle within the next year anyways. If I can get some insight, specifically from those who have had first hand experience with any of these vehicles, I'd appreciate the help. Mainly reliability, quality and maintenance expense. Is it a good choice or not, and why?

As for my budget, let's just say I started out saying I'm going for something around 14-20k. (Santa fe XL, Accord), and now I'm looking at 30K vehicles. I'm sure you guys know how that goes lol. Ultimately I want family space and power for the cheapest price. Those are my main 2 wants. I can push 30k+, but I'd rather not. I'm not too picky with Interior design and up to date features.

Thanks for the knowledge in advance.

2015- 2017 Lexus GS
2016 Infiniti QX70
2017 - 2018 Genesis G70 or G80
2017 January XE or XF
2017 Ford Explorer
2016-2017 infiniti Q50
(I've also been checking out a few bmw 3 and 5 series but I've been reading that they are very expensive to maintain with repairs. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Sr. Member
Dec 13, 2006
585 posts
263 upvotes
You are missing 3 great familly volvo option:

2016/2017 XC 90 T6
2017 S90 T6 or 2018 T5
2018 Xc60

The volvo t6 have a good punch, the xc90 is spacious for a large familly... But other option are good too.
[OP]
Newbie
Dec 28, 2020
89 posts
28 upvotes
grisensko wrote: You are missing 3 great familly volvo option:

2016/2017 XC 90 T6
2017 S90 T6 or 2018 T5
2018 Xc60

The volvo t6 have a good punch, the xc90 is spacious for a large familly... But other option are good too.
2016/2017 XC 90 T6 - not a bad looking truck at all. Went under my radar. How's reliability on these?
2017 S90 T6 or 2018 T5 - this looks like that polestar car on the cover of need for speed heat that my son plays lol
2018 Xc60 - this one is just mugly...lol

Top

Thread Information

There is currently 1 user viewing this thread. (0 members and 1 guest)