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Use of MoCA adapters - Need Feedback

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Use of MoCA adapters - Need Feedback

Currently using Bell Fibe (Home Hub 3000) where the ISP modem sits in the basement.

Hoping to have a wired connection in my office room on second floor, but, there is no ethernet port. However, there is a coax cable coming into the room so i was hoping to leverage this by using MoCA adapters (shown as red-lines in the image)

Since HH 3000 does not have coax port, i will use the cat6 to connect to one of the Actiontec adapters and use that connection in my office room to convert it back from coax to cat6 to setup a wired connection to my pc.

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Would this work? I was researching online and someone mentioned i need a coax splitter or need to terminate coax in the basement but not sure what they actually mean.
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Looks like a plan.

Do you have phone jacks? You could repurpose those if they are cat5e.

Also, drilling from the basement to the exterior, and running a cable from the exterior up is another common technique.
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This should work with no splitter or termination required (I use a similar setup). People saying you need either are most likely using the coax for cable TV at the same time
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I'm not hugely familiar with MoCA, but as far as I'm aware you only need to mess around if you need to use coax that is connected to a cable TV system. If you have a piece of coax that's not connected to anything, I believe it's just a matter of connecting a MoCA interface to each end of the wire, as you have diagrammed.
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sharing my setup that I have - similar to yours.....I have the HH3000 in the basement and plenty of coxial cables throughout the house but no ethernet cabling............

I don't have TV services - only Internet....and it is FTTH from Bell.

I'm not using any splitters........

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FS: Nothing at the moment
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ji2o0k wrote: sharing my setup that I have - similar to yours.....I have the HH3000 in the basement and plenty of coxial cables throughout the house but no ethernet cabling............

I don't have TV services - only Internet....and it is FTTH from Bell.

I'm not using any splitters........

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What's your speed test results after one hop with those M9 meshes? I average around 200Mbps ugh...
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ShadowVlican wrote: What's your speed test results after one hop with those M9 meshes? I average around 200Mbps ugh...
I only have 100/10 Mbps Bell services and getting 120+ / 12 on wired and wireless.

FS: Nothing at the moment
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I have same setup and use the Actiontech MOCA adapters. I have the 750mbps FTTH service from Telus, below is the speed test over the MOCA adapter:

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And this is a direct ethernet wired connection for comparison. All test done within 10 min of each other this morning. Something seems a bit off about my ethernet connection as I normally get like 750mbps each direction, but either way, it's plenty fast and that MOCA adapter does a very good job

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I have Actiontec MoCA setup for many years now. Once set up I forgot about them. Never needed attention nor reboot/reset. I get full speed of over 900Mb/s both ways.
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Not that old of a bump up, but I think this thread might help me out. I have Bell Fibe TV and internet (only 100/10 available here). My HH3000 is in the basement in the entertainment centre set up down there. Our main TV is on the main floor is connected by the VIP2502 wireless receiver, and is the only 4K-capable TV we have. I would like to add 4K service to the main floor. I have heard that you need to be hard wired to get 4k (or possibly a really robust wireless connection, which I don't have). I do have the former satellite coax cable at the main floor TV running down to the room where the panel and other TV is, so one or 2 of these moca adapters looks like the way to go.

I'm somewhat confused by how to wire this . The Bell Fibe line comes out of the panel and connects to the HH3000, and then an ethernet connection to the PVR. But I want the new 4K PVR to be upstairs. So I'm assuming I come off the HH3000 with ethernet to the moca, connect to the coax, and then what? Another moca upstairs at the other end of the coax, ethernet to the 4K? I see the 4K receiver doesn't have a coax input, so I assume the need for a moca unit at either end of the coax. I'm assuming that Bell will send a tech to install, as they have each other time I have ordered a new service, but I need to make sure I have the right stuff anyway.

Any input on the type of MoCa to buy?
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I had the same situation but went with a pair of cheap DirecTV DECA adaptors I found on eBay. Essentially, it's ethernet from the HH2000 to the DECA adaptor, coax to the other DECA adaptor, and ethernet to the 4K PVR.

Even though I've read that the speed through these things is limited to about 80 Mbps, you don't need a lot of bandwidth to watch FibeTV - not even 4K content. And the best part: it was a fraction of the price of MoCA.
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djeffery wrote: Not that old of a bump up, but I think this thread might help me out. I have Bell Fibe TV and internet (only 100/10 available here). My HH3000 is in the basement in the entertainment centre set up down there. Our main TV is on the main floor is connected by the VIP2502 wireless receiver, and is the only 4K-capable TV we have. I would like to add 4K service to the main floor. I have heard that you need to be hard wired to get 4k (or possibly a really robust wireless connection, which I don't have). I do have the former satellite coax cable at the main floor TV running down to the room where the panel and other TV is, so one or 2 of these moca adapters looks like the way to go.
According to Netflix, you only need 25 mbps for 4K: LINK

The wifi setup might be good enough for 4K. Even if you don't get the full 100 mbps via wifi in that part of the ground floor, if you're getting a stable 30 mbps or so, you should be good. Do a speed test in the room with your 4K TV with a laptop or use your phone (but turn off mobile data so you're only using wifi) and see what speeds you're getting.

A cheap alternative to explore is whether you have phone jacks in that room and what cables you have there. If your house is fairly new, you may be wired for cat5 already, which is ready for ethernet. If your house is older, it may still be wired for cat3, which can be repurposed as 100 mbps ethernet, which is still plenty fast enough for your needs. Only needs a few bucks in parts (tool-free ethernet jacks, etc.) with a general wire stripper. You can spend more for a dedicated wire stripper and crimper if you will be doing more jacks.
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There are 3 common standards for ethernet-over-coax: MoCa, HPNA, and DECA

DECA is cheap (https://www.amazon.com/PACK-Broadband-E ... B01AYMGPIO). It's the slowest at 100 mbps full duplex, but that's fine for 4K HDR streaming. It does interfere with cable TV and cable internet frequencies, so you can only use it on coax disconnected from those services. Satellite TV is ok, which is why the cheap 2-adapter kits are offered for DirecTV. You would connect router--ethernet--DECA1--coax--DECA2--ethernet--device.

MoCa and HPNA are both faster and compatible with cable TV and internet, but more expensive. However some of the router+modem units provided by ISPs have either MoCa or HPNA built in to support communication over coax to their own gear. In that case you only need to buy one adapter of the right type to extend the signal to another location (multiple connections are allowed, but share bandwidth). The telcos like Bell and Telus using Actiontec gear have usually favoured HPNA. MoCa is more common with cable gear, and more popular in general.
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If you only need streaming and your internet connection is 100Mbps or less, then DECA is the cheapest option.
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jm1 wrote: According to Netflix, you only need 25 mbps for 4K: LINK

The wifi setup might be good enough for 4K. Even if you don't get the full 100 mbps via wifi in that part of the ground floor, if you're getting a stable 30 mbps or so, you should be good. Do a speed test in the room with your 4K TV with a laptop or use your phone (but turn off mobile data so you're only using wifi) and see what speeds you're getting.

A cheap alternative to explore is whether you have phone jacks in that room and what cables you have there. If your house is fairly new, you may be wired for cat5 already, which is ready for ethernet. If your house is older, it may still be wired for cat3, which can be repurposed as 100 mbps ethernet, which is still plenty fast enough for your needs. Only needs a few bucks in parts (tool-free ethernet jacks, etc.) with a general wire stripper. You can spend more for a dedicated wire stripper and crimper if you will be doing more jacks.
My wifi kind of sucks as it is, and it's a 1980's-era house with no ethernet ran. With the home hub 3000 in the basement, I have a wifi extender on the main floor basically right over top of the HH3000 and I also later added those Bell extender pods. I have a pod sitting right beside my chair here in the family room, so maybe 3 feet from my laptop, and 8 or 9 feet from the TV with the Bell wireless receiver and I barely get 25 mbps here. There have been times watching Netflix or Prime using the TV's built in apps that I get some buffering, so I think trying to run the 4K would be problematic.
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Thank you for the suggestions for DECA. 40 bucks is a lot better than a couple hundred. My son managed to use a multi meter last night and isolate the coax cables downstairs that I need to make this work, so I think that's how we will go. We don't have anything else going over those lines, since our TV and internet is all Fibe.
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djeffery wrote: My wifi kind of sucks as it is, and it's a 1980's-era house with no ethernet ran.
While you don't have cat5 ethernet, you have phone jacks in every room, which may be cat3. If so, they can be re-wired for 100 mbps ethernet.

Open up a phone jack. If the cabling to the phone jack is just two thin wires (usually red and green), it won't work. If you have four or six wires, then it'll work (you only need four for ethernet, but cat3 comes with six).
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jm1 wrote: According to Netflix, you only need 25 mbps for 4K: LINK

The wifi setup might be good enough for 4K. Even if you don't get the full 100 mbps via wifi in that part of the ground floor, if you're getting a stable 30 mbps or so, you should be good. Do a speed test in the room with your 4K TV with a laptop or use your phone (but turn off mobile data so you're only using wifi) and see what speeds you're getting.
If it's only Netflix, then maybe, since its 4K is at ~16 Mbps, but other streaming services like AppleTV+ can go much, much higher. AppleTV+ peaks at over 40 Mbps, so you'd probably want over 50 Mbps minimum for a comfortable cushion.
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You have a cable from the Home Hub 3000 running to the main floor.

Is there any possibility to run a cable from the second floor back to the main floor?

I rather install a small 4 port switch on the main floor to hook up your computer and EAP345, use the last port to run a cable to the second floor
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Got my new Bell 4K receiver installed today. I ordered the DECA devices mentioned above. The Bell tech was able to just do a quick swap out, activated the new receiver and was gone. I did a little trickery on my wife when she said "So, let's see how much nicer the picture is". Sportsnet had a replay of the Boston hockey game playing this morning, so I tuned in to the 4k channel, and then flipped to the SD Sportsnet channel instead of HD, and she was like "wow, I can actually see a difference" lol.

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