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Verbal reasoning question

Marco, Laura, Peter, Ben and Sally are out shopping for jackets. Ben and Laura want waterproof jackets, Peter and Sally want brightly coloured jackets with hoods, Laura and Marco want lightweight jackets and Marco and Ben want brightly coloured jackets but with a warm lining.

Out of the following statements, which one must be true? Write your answer in the answer box below.

A. Sally and Peter want different types of jackets.

B. Only two people do not want brightly coloured jackets.

C. No one wants a lightweight jacket with a hood.

D. Sally wants a coat with a hood and a warm lining.

E. Four of them do not want waterproofs.
This is for 11 year-old children in the UK.

Can you get the correct answer without googling?
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Your thread is misleading and inaccurate.

There is nothing inherently “verbal” about this thread at all.
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F. None of the above answers are right.
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Tojued wrote: Nice! Now I can move on up to 12th grade.
Junior High school in North America, grade 7
(grammar school in the uk)
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I suppose it can be math and logic problem as well if you use a Venn Diagram, etc.
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It should be noted that this kind of "logic grid puzzle" is extremely common in the UK in kids puzzle books. It's not unusual for young kids to have to solve them.

Additionally in the UK a Grammar School is simply a more selective academic secondary school (high school) in some jurisdictions. High schools are still very much existent and a grammar school is just a subset of high schools.
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The Canterbury Tail wrote: It should be noted that this kind of "logic grid puzzle" is extremely common in the UK in kids puzzle books. It's not unusual for young kids to have to solve them.

Additionally in the UK a Grammar School is simply a more selective academic secondary school (high school) in some jurisdictions. High schools are still very much existent and a grammar school is just a subset of high schools.
Finally someone grew up in the UK.
Therefore, people in North America generally lack Reading Comprehension, Analytical Reasoning, Logical Reasoning.
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The Canterbury Tail wrote: It should be noted that this kind of "logic grid puzzle" is extremely common in the UK in kids puzzle books. It's not unusual for young kids to have to solve them.

Additionally in the UK a Grammar School is simply a more selective academic secondary school (high school) in some jurisdictions. High schools are still very much existent and a grammar school is just a subset of high schools.
They're also common in Canadian federal public service exams.

As a federal gov't employee, I imagine the day when someone will come into my work area and say "Here's a BLORT. It's warmer than a QUIB but colder than a TYSK. Please store it accordingly."
Anyone in Ottawa will understand.
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Tugendhat wrote: Correct!
How is it c? We need to make assumptions that certain choices exclude others. The word "must" in the question should be "could." It's easy to eliminate A, B, D and E as possible answers, but the statement that Laura and Marco want lightweight jackets doesn't eliminate the possibility that those jackets may have hoods. The statement that "nobody wants a lightweight jacket with a hood" is also ambiguous. Does that mean that they wouldn't be happy with such a jacket or simply they they don't require it? If I say that "I don't want to go to the park," most native-English speakers would interpret that as me being unhappy if we were to go the park. Laura and Marco don't explicitly need a hood, although that assumes that the description of what they want is complete and exclusive of anything else, but they wouldn't necessarily mind having one.

In any case, I like questions like this primarily for the opportunity to analyze the question itself.
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OntEdTchr wrote: In any case, I like questions like this primarily for the opportunity to analyze the question itself.
I had a feeling we would get one of these posts lol
Did you frequently question teachers/professors on their course materials in HighSchool/Post secondary?

Sorry, just teasing... and asking out of curiosity

Would be amusing and ironic since you're a teacher yourself ;)
How do you deal with such students? (e.g. "But I like to analyze the exam rather than answer the questions!")

PS: Answer is C as no one wanted a jacket that met both criteria.

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Tugendhat wrote: This is for 11 year-old children in the UK.

Can you get the correct answer without googling?
The term "verbal reasoning" is misleading...
I think this would be very challenging even for adults to figure out if done entirely verbally (e.g. someone read this to you). At a minimal you'd need to see this on paper...
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