Maybe could be negotiated even further.
That was last Friday so not certain it’s still available. Better call first.
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paul29m wrote: ↑ There is an absolute shit ton of these on the used market. Many people get floored when listening to these in the showroom because of their detail, but don't have enough quality warm amplification to tone down the harshness. Hard to pair with electronics.
That said, yes, this is easily the best price you'll ever see for these puppies.
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notslow65 wrote: ↑ The speaker "suspension" does need to breakin' . The sound will flow vs brand new tight speakers. My R300 sounded barely acceptable but after time the muddy vocals transformed. This is definitely not a matter of "training" my ears. I was really unhappy with the R300 but the vocals had this congested sound. Once the suspension loosened up the speakers are very good for the price point.
The amplified LS50 cannot be tweaked. On board dac handles the digital files. Having passive LS50 at least you can change amplification and change the sound by using different dacs.
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Aug 6th, 2019 3:35 am
^Can't be better said than this.frank4162 wrote: ↑ Yes, I agree with your break-in experience. The LS50W out of the box sounded totally confused, harsh, unfocused..., much worse than the broken-in LS50, and definitely not up to KEF imaging standard one would expect. But they slowly came into being over about 2 weeks - coherent, sweet, pin point imaging. And boy, they can go LOUD! I'm perfectly happy with the sound FOR THE AMOUNT I paid.
Which brings me to your second point about the R300. I don't want to hijack this LS50 thread into a comparison between R300 and LS50, but as someone who had played with both LS50 and LS50W, side by side, I just wanted to share my experience with the active versus passive LS50 speakers. I'm sure the R300 sounds great, and your point about the ls50w "built-in DAC cannot be replaced" is also true.
But a built-in DAC inside active speakers is a double edged sword. It offers KEF a chance to incorporate a built-in DSP to tweak the LS50 Uni-Q drivers (mid/woofer and tweeter individually) to the engineers' ears. And I think that's what makes the LS50W sound so different (better to me) from the passive version. BTW, the DSP is user customizable for easy speaker placement, and adjustable gain and crossover frequency for a sub.
The main points I want to drive home to anyone considering the LS50 speaker lineup is this....
For the price difference between the passive and active speakers, ask yourself - can you buy a correctly matched 230w amp, pre-amp, dac, dsp, and wireless functions (not the best, I don't use it)?
If money is no object, and you like to experiment with a whole bunch of external boxes, then go with passive speakers like the R300 (R3 is current version), or for that matter, the KEF Reference One (for $10k, I was blown away by those, both sound and price tag
In addition to price, do you prefer an audio system that's minimalist (just speakers) or maximalist (speakers plus a shelf full of boxes)?
Aug 6th, 2019 10:44 am
agree, I think the dac/amp integrated in the ls50w sounds great. And like the DSP to customize the sound to your environment. My only concern is reliability. With a seperate system if something goes bad.. can also just replace the separate piece, Dac, amp, speaker, whatever.cy wrote: ↑ ^Can't be better said than this.
I have a pair of LS50W and I can't say enough good things about it. The fact that I didn't want to spend the equal amount of money to build a setup that might or might not be better than the all-in-one, was the exact reason why I got the LS50W over LS50.
Be patient and you'll find them for $2200-2300 easily.
For those that are buying these LS50, make sure you know what to do and pair with to properly squeeze the beautiful sound out of them
Aug 6th, 2019 3:09 pm
U4LIFE wrote: ↑ agree, I think the dac/amp integrated in the ls50w sounds great. And like the DSP to customize the sound to your environment. My only concern is reliability. With a seperate system if something goes bad.. can also just replace the separate piece, Dac, amp, speaker, whatever.
I cross my fingers that my ls50w's never have an issue as I have heard replacements or fix can be super pricy.
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