Are we suppose to avoid traveling to China even for lay-overs after Huawei CFO's extradition?
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- alanbrenton [OP]
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- poleman
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You are quite free to travel to China. Hell, some idiots even travel to Afghanistan.
Myself, I wouldn't waste my time there as I have a personal boycott of everything Chinese. It's tough at times, but I'm hoping more come on board.
And with the current political climate, who knows who the Chinese will target.
Myself, I wouldn't waste my time there as I have a personal boycott of everything Chinese. It's tough at times, but I'm hoping more come on board.
And with the current political climate, who knows who the Chinese will target.
No political content in signatures (Who did I offend?)
- kr0zet
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Feel free to travel to China. Let us know if they censor RFD while you are there.
- alanbrenton [OP]
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Haha. You are the unemployed (or not looking for work) one who has unlimited vacation days and made $200k on AIM.
This is more a PSA.
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- Arrgh
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I would avoid travel to China.
Had gone to Beijing. It's true they have no heating at the airport. You have to wear you winter coat inside. The PP airport lounge was a joke, no working electrical outlet, wifi not work, no alcohol drink, and had to wait a long time even for hot water.
Had gone to Beijing. It's true they have no heating at the airport. You have to wear you winter coat inside. The PP airport lounge was a joke, no working electrical outlet, wifi not work, no alcohol drink, and had to wait a long time even for hot water.
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People should be a lot more concerned about going to the States and detained or captured and disappear into the many holding sites the US has around the world
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Gitmo bay isn't fake nor are their actions and political activity in many countries and the Huawei fiasco for trade talks is just fact and news. It's well known and no secret the US arbitrarily detains people traveling through the states and many other countries around the world
You'll have a lot more trouble and hassle going through a US airport for transit if you're middle Eastern or Muslim than Chinese airport
Maybe stop reading briebart and the rebel
- Jucius Maximus
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Assuming you have no other familial or political ties to China, you won't have any problems in transit unless maybe you have governmental or other high-level ties to the Canadian government.
That said, I did my last business trip in China 9 months ago, and have no intention of going back. In China, the legal and social systems are much different than here, and foriegners can get into serious trouble just from bad luck or a misunderstanding. There is no due diligence that a non-Chinese foreigner can do to prevent it. And being Canadian could just create even more complications and problems in these situations.
Even personally I have nearly gotten into serious trouble in China just due to a misunderstanding. And I sure as hell don't want to put myself into this situation again in China now that their government is specially biased against Canadians.
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LOLOLOLOLLayover wrote: ↑ Gitmo bay isn't fake nor are their actions and political activity in many countries and the Huawei fiasco for trade talks is just fact and news. It's well known and no secret the US arbitrarily detains people traveling through the states and many other countries around the world
You'll have a lot more trouble and hassle going through a US airport for transit if you're middle Eastern or Muslim than Chinese airport
Maybe stop reading briebart and the rebel
Found the far left extremist.
Meanwhile, tens of thousands of ordinary Canadians cross the border daily for personal or business reasons, ignoring rabid leftists such as this.
- wudtsilake
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I enjoyed Beijing.
I certainly never felt any of the alarm bells go off that went off in Cairo and Capetown (and San Francisco, come to think of it).
Don't see anything at this point deterring me from going back.
Hopefully Shanghai and Xian next.
I certainly never felt any of the alarm bells go off that went off in Cairo and Capetown (and San Francisco, come to think of it).
Don't see anything at this point deterring me from going back.
Hopefully Shanghai and Xian next.
- Handcake
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China is really safe for foreigners (if you exclude roadside safety and pollution). The government is really paranoid about having other governments make a stink, so when something happens to a foreigner, the government gets involved pretty heavily. Say a car hit a foreigner on the side of the road and a regular Chinese citizen. They will look into it a lot deeper if it is a foreigner, and I think it is just how the government operates that the bureau that looks after foreigners has a lot of power.wudtsilake wrote: ↑ I enjoyed Beijing.
I certainly never felt any of the alarm bells go off that went off in Cairo and Capetown (and San Francisco, come to think of it).
Don't see anything at this point deterring me from going back.
Hopefully Shanghai and Xian next.
For those that don't know, China has cameras EVERYWHERE and you are monitored all over the place. It is big brother.
I don't see China arresting and detaining regular Canadians because of Meng. It breaks decorum and the other countries would have a field day. Also, if Canada were to do the same, China has a lot more influential people staying in Canada than Canada has staying in China...not that Canada would do a tit for tat, but if we did...
- Jucius Maximus
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This is true if you are in an area with a lot of foreigners, especially if you are on some short tourism trip.Handcake wrote: ↑ China is really safe for foreigners (if you exclude roadside safety and pollution). The government is really paranoid about having other governments make a stink, so when something happens to a foreigner, the government gets involved pretty heavily. Say a car hit a foreigner on the side of the road and a regular Chinese citizen. They will look into it a lot deeper if it is a foreigner, and I think it is just how the government operates that the bureau that looks after foreigners has a lot of power.
For those that don't know, China has cameras EVERYWHERE and you are monitored all over the place. It is big brother.
I don't see China arresting and detaining regular Canadians because of Meng. It breaks decorum and the other countries would have a field day. Also, if Canada were to do the same, China has a lot more influential people staying in Canada than Canada has staying in China...not that Canada would do a tit for tat, but if we did...
But if you are in a non-tourism area, or living / working in China, or in a relationship with a Chinese partner, things can get a lot risker.
Things have changed a lot in the past 12 months in China, and many foreigners and foreign businesses are having a big exodus now. China's government and propaganda are becoming much more nationalistic and anti-foreigner. It's becoming much harder for foreigners to operate a business in China, and get things like visas, banking, finance, real estate, etc., taken care of.
So if you want to go to China for a job or whatever, I say forget about that unless you look and speak Chinese. But from a tourism perspective, it is still an amazing place and definitely worth visiting. Just make sure to look up all of the tourist scams that are extremely prolific. They must have tried scams on me several dozen times, but only 1 time was successful and I only cost me a tiny amount.
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I've worked in China for 10 years now. I haven't found any problem since the Meng case hit. The reason a lot of companies are leaving China is the economy is starting to decline, and other countries are looking like better options for maximizing profit. Yes, small businesses have been having problems, but to be fair, a lot in manufacturing base those problems on stricter environmental laws, and zero help from the government in converting factories to be cleaner air polluters.Jucius Maximus wrote: ↑ This is true if you are in an area with a lot of foreigners, especially if you are on some short tourism trip.
But if you are in a non-tourism area, or living / working in China, or in a relationship with a Chinese partner, things can get a lot risker.
Things have changed a lot in the past 12 months in China, and many foreigners and foreign businesses are having a big exodus now. China's government and propaganda are becoming much more nationalistic and anti-foreigner. It's becoming much harder for foreigners to operate a business in China, and get things like visas, banking, finance, real estate, etc., taken care of.
So if you want to go to China for a job or whatever, I say forget about that unless you look and speak Chinese. But from a tourism perspective, it is still an amazing place and definitely worth visiting. Just make sure to look up all of the tourist scams that are extremely prolific. They must have tried scams on me several dozen times, but only 1 time was successful and I only cost me a tiny amount.
I've been in and out of the country a few times since that arrest and haven't had a problem.
China's propaganda has been the same since Xi took over. He is pushing his agenda. He isn't ready to go head to head with the world though.
- alanbrenton [OP]
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if you are just a regular joe then it's fine. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
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- gei
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If it's the only option then it should be fine, but in general it's good to avoid China. Even before these recent political issues we've been having, flying through China was always a nuisance - not to mention they block the majority of sites you are likely to use (anything Google, Facebook, whatsapp, etc)
- Cavegirl
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I would avoid China. Even last time transiting through Beijing was not a good experience. It's supposed to be a large international airport, but no heating in winter. The internet blocking also gives you a taste of the authoritarian system in the country.