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What would make more sense?

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What would make more sense?

I have a rental with $340K mortgage 1.64% fixed 25yr amortization. If I need to take out about $100K to invest for a ~10% yield, I have 2 options and wondering which one would make more sense...

1. Cash out re-finance at ~1.70% variable with fixed monthly payment 30yr amortization

2. 2nd position heloc at prime + 1.5%

With the first option, my monthly mortgage payment will go up about $175 per month. Since it will be fixed monthly payment, I will not have to 'worry' about my payment increasing as they will simply allocate more towards interest payment which I'm ok with as monthly cash flow is important. Hoping BOC won't go crazy with rate hikes.

With the 2nd option, my interest only payments will be $350 per month to begin with, and will increase with the rate hikes.

My gut feeling tells me that the first option might be better, but at the same time breaking the 1.64% fixed rate (still 4 years left) seems wrong. Help me out guys Smiling Face With Smiling Eyes
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Apr 20, 2016
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Don't you just need to do a spreadsheet to see which option is cheaper? Factor in any penalties on breaking the fixed esp. since you have 4 years remaining. For the HELOC there is an option to fix a portion of it the same way as a variable mortgage....ask your bank.
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Penalty to break the current fixed rate mortgage is 3 months interest only.
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Feb 7, 2018
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Man tough decisions. It would hurt giving up a rate like that.

I was in a similar situation 3 years ago but I was going to a lower rate on refi not a higher one.

I would go HELOC on this one, are there any lenders that do a fixed rate HELOC? I think I remember TD doing partitions to a mortgage like this a few years back.
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Jan 13, 2014
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negotiate a better heloc rate. at prime or prime +0.5 isnt unheard of.
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Jan 19, 2009
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Get a better HELOC rate and go with interest only. Since you are using funds to invest you can deduct that interest off of your income.
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The current mortgage is with a smaller lender, so it will be a 2nd position HELOC and the big banks are telling me that the rate for a 2nd position HELOC is higher. Is that true?
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rfd911 wrote: The current mortgage is with a smaller lender, so it will be a 2nd position HELOC and the big banks are telling me that the rate for a 2nd position HELOC is higher. Is that true?
if it is a standard charge mortgage, the bigger banks can easily get you a better rate for heloc.
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Oct 25, 2013
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I would go HELOC and keep it seperate. I would be worried about the CRA and tax deductibility on the mortgage and investment (assuming its in a non-registered account).
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I thought a refinance wouldn't touch existing fixed mortgage. Did your agent tell you that it would?

The refinance should be separate from your existing fixed mortgage?

*i am a noob at this, so not sure.
"If you make a mistake but then change your ways, it is like never having made a mistake at all" - Confucius
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TrevorW92 wrote: I would go HELOC and keep it seperate. I would be worried about the CRA and tax deductibility on the mortgage and investment (assuming its in a non-registered account).
Shouldn't be a huge issue. As far as I know, let's say you refinance from $340K to $440K and you invest the $100K, you can deduct about 22% of the interest you paid on your mortgage as that's what $100K of $440K would be. Right?
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1xTiMeR wrote: I thought a refinance wouldn't touch existing fixed mortgage. Did your agent tell you that it would?

The refinance should be separate from your existing fixed mortgage?

*i am a noob at this, so not sure.
I mean re-fiannce by moving to a different lender.

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