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What's your back to school plan?

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These are just variables and inputs. C’mon let’s do it. There are self driving cars out there, and the admins can do it (just takes a few months), I’m sure it can be automated/programmed, allowing for variables/exceptions. Nerd Face
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Tsanger wrote: so I was talking to my teacher friends, and they said that the admins manually do the class/room/schedule assignments every year? is that true?
you'd think someone has a software that can do all the assignments based on all the different variables already? if not, I'd be up for creating a start up for this with ppl here LOL
In the spring, schools receive projections for September enrollment. Using those projections and applying the funding formula, schools are told how many homeroom classes they can have. A staffing committee that consists of teachers and admin will meet to determine how best to organize the school based on the number of students for each grade and keeping with Ministry/board guidelines. For example, as as a committee, we may prefer a model in which we have three Grade 8 classes at 30 students each and three Grade 7 classes at 24 students each in order to avoid having any Grade 7/8 splits. Once we decide on a model, the principal sends it to the Board for approval. Once that's approved, we begin the process of placing students in their classes. All teachers who teach a certain grade will meet together with the principal(s) to place those students based on a variety of social, emotional and academic factors. That's the class placement piece.

Timetabling is done entirely by admin. Teachers will submit preferences for what we want to teach and most admin will honour those requests. Ultimately, it's up to the principal to come up with a timetable and assign teachers to teach subjects/grades based on their qualifications. There are a LOT of variables here. My principal has been in the businesses for a long time and he hasn't found a more efficient system than printing off a giant spreadsheet with all of the times and teachers and using stickies to move things around and make it fit. You have some teachers that aren't 1.0, so they need a reduced timetable, but you can't just give them their 40 minutes off in the middle of the day. You have gym teachers that need to teach gym but then you have a separate gym schedule so the gym needs to be assigned to the correct teacher AND the correct class at the same time. Math blocks must be 60 minutes and literacy blocks must be 100 minutes. Speced students that receive withdrawal support for language and/or math must be in a homeroom whose timetable matches the support centre. Someone like me who teaches math and a support centre requires an organization in which my support centre students must be attached to different classes from the one I teach math to. You have some schools in which homeroom teachers are the only French teachers so they need someone to cover their own math whereas others have dedicated French teachers. You have some schools/principals that prioritize subject-specialist teachers and in which students may have 8 different teachers throughout the day while other schools/principals prefer keeping as many subjects with the homeroom teacher as possible. I'd love to see the algorithm that can spit this all out. It's quite complex.
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So I’m one of those parents who sent the kids on the first day. On the second day of school my husband had a change of heart and here we are.. one week later with no virtual or in person learning.

I totally get that I passed the deadline to change my mind.. but has anyone experienced this? Is there any way around this?

I left a message for PDSB but haven’t heard back. The principal also confirmed that I’ve passed the deadline to switch to virtual schooling.
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Arias1619 wrote: So I’m one of those parents who sent the kids on the first day. On the second day of school my husband had a change of heart and here we are.. one week later with no virtual or in person learning.

I totally get that I passed the deadline to change my mind.. but has anyone experienced this? Is there any way around this?

I left a message for PDSB but haven’t heard back. The principal also confirmed that I’ve passed the deadline to switch to virtual schooling.
I understand how it was a difficult decision to make initially. I'm not sure if there will be any way around it other than waiting until the next date they allow for switches. My daughter is with DPCDSB and we've only just got started this week (tomorrow) for remote due to the massive reorganization that was caused due to all the switches and we picked that option from the beginning. I have friends with kids in PDSB. A few started today but there are some that picked remote in August with the survey and still haven't yet been assigned a teacher.

I see from Twitter some PDSB teachers don't even know yet what they are teaching.

I know from friends with kids in PDSB they had told them when they extended the switch date until Sept. 10, that would be a firm deadline without an option to switch likely until mid-November which I understand due to how long it has taken to even get the remote classes started due to the large number of switches by the deadline. Hopefully the Board can let you know if there are any options for you before the next switch date. Perhaps, once the classes are finally organized and up and running for those who have picked remote, they could let you have a space if there are any classes that have capacity?
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we're in that boat. we sent the kids to school the first few days. ycdsb. by the end of the week, with cases at 400 we got put on a wait list to change to virtual. I don't expect to be assigned a teacher until the Nov switch date.

in the meantime, the kids have been going to school intermittently, was mask.. face shield on in am line. at snack time, they're not allowed to eat or take mask off (I mean, school starts at 9, why do the kids need a snack at 1015 in gr 5)-I've asked that they put a face shield on when other kids have their masks off at snack time, but I don't know if they do this. after snack, at recess, they wipe down their table with a clorex wipe in case other kids have gotten their droplets not their desk.

at recess, they wear an outside gaiter to cover their mouth/nose. they're picked up at lunch for the rest of the day at home to do homework that is Brought home... as safe as we can be while still sending them to school with cases rising in our region.
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starsgta wrote: safe as we can be while still sending them to school with cases rising in our region.
York region is ok I think . Without vaccines, 20-40 case is new normal
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No call from the teacher this week (Kinder-TCDSB). I guess another week in the Live Sessions! Grinning Face With Smiling Eyes
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Update: Teacher called this morning! Grinning Face With Smiling Eyes
CuriousJack wrote: No call from the teacher this week (Kinder-TCDSB). I guess another week in the Live Sessions! Grinning Face With Smiling Eyes
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Seriously, over sensationalized headlines and reaction. This coming from an early alarmist, who bought and wore masks when people used the tired oh spiel "Masks don't make a difference" and I knew it was airborne vs touch surface (which studies shows is a very low way to spread).

Was on that controversial coronavirus thread since Jan when majority of people still had all their dreams to travel and vacation.
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at1212b wrote: Seriously, over sensationalized headlines and reaction. This coming from an early alarmist, who bought and wore masks when people used the tired oh spiel "Masks don't make a difference" and I knew it was airborne vs touch surface (which studies shows is a very low way to spread).

Was on that controversial coronavirus thread since Jan when majority of people still had all their dreams to travel and vacation.
Part of issue is even you switch now, no guaranteed there is slot available.
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Submit switch request on Tuesday and got email that a teacher will contact with us and new class will start on October 5
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I'm reading the info online tonight about YCDSB - elementary schools closed Tuesday for another total reorganization. Seems like a total mess. Online & remote will be taught simultaneously (by a live stream I guess). Just after everyone was starting to adjust after classes finally got up and running (see letter attached). Online learners to be contacted by new teacher on Tuesday.

DPCDSB seems to be doing the same but only for high school starting in November - remote learners will be taught via a stream from the class. My daughter is in DPCDSB elementary and I'm hoping they don't go the route YCDSB is going. She has adjusted very well to remote learning, it is working very well this year and is totally different from March to June. Once we actually got placed, we are very happy with it.
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sillysimms wrote: I'm reading the info online tonight about YCDSB - elementary schools closed Tuesday for another total reorganization. Seems like a total mess. Online & remote will be taught simultaneously (by a live stream I guess). Just after everyone was starting to adjust after classes finally got up and running (see letter attached). Online learners to be contacted by new teacher on Tuesday.

DPCDSB seems to be doing the same but only for high school starting in November - remote learners will be taught via a stream from the class. My daughter is in DPCDSB elementary and I'm hoping they don't go the route YCDSB is going. She has adjusted very well to remote learning, it is working very well this year and is totally different from March to June. Once we actually got placed, we are very happy with it.
YCDSB has been doing this for high school and from what I've heard, it's less than ideal but manageable. I might be able to make something like this work with Grade 7s or 8s but with significant pedagogical concerns. I have NO idea what this would look like in a primary classroom or in a special ed setting.
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OntEdTchr wrote: YCDSB has been doing this for high school and from what I've heard, it's less than ideal but manageable. I might be able to make something like this work with Grade 7s or 8s but with significant pedagogical concerns. I have NO idea what this would look like in a primary classroom or in a special ed setting.
I agree it is completely ridiculous for elementary students.

There are online reports that DPCDSB will be making the same announcement for elementary tomorrow (they told us yesterday it would be high school only). The reports aren't confirmed yet, but if this is true they've got one unhappy parent here who will be making major complaints about this.

The decision by YCDSB is bad for students & teachers. It just can't work for elementary and is a complete failure by the Board in my opinion.
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