when do you think travel will be back to normal, in and out canada?

Figure out which timelines politicians think will get them the most votes and you'll have your answer.

We gambled on October 2021 and booked travel to and from Europe, stopping in NYC for a few days along the way. If things stay the same between now and then we'll just have to do the antigen test thing and all of that. But if things take a turn for the worse, with tighter restrictions or significantly increasing cases, we'll stay home.

Kiraly wrote: ↑ We gambled on October 2021 and booked travel to and from Europe, stopping in NYC for a few days along the way. If things stay the same between now and then we'll just have to do the antigen test thing and all of that. But if things take a turn for the worse, with tighter restrictions or significantly increasing cases, we'll stay home.

October is a tricky month, borderline between fall and winter. So case number can go either way

Missed NYC so much

smartie wrote: ↑ October is a tricky month, borderline between fall and winter. So case number can go either way

Missed NYC so much

There's a huge difference between early October and late October. Leaving Vancouver Oct 7, Leaving NYC on October 10. Very early fall, summer will have barely ended. Keeping fingers crossed.

Personally I think Japan by early next year. Taiwan, maybe 2023 as noted. South Korea, early next also. I am hoping to be in Japan next April. Taiwan out of the question.

Most of EU by end of summer I think.

I think US border will open in August. Will be interesting to see vaccine requirements.

For me, I'm kind of stuck in Canada until next year anyway.

It's country-to-country right now until they decide to implement an internationally recognized vaccine passport so it's anyone's guess. The developing countries will likely lag behind for years but nobody will really "care" in the sense that they're usually too poor to afford travel.

forgetpwd wrote: ↑ by normal I mean as long as you are fully vaxed, i.e. a vax passport, you could skip the pcr, antigen all those tests nonsense, and no quarantine.

apparently 2021 is done.

2022, 2nd half, NA and Europe, maybe?

2023, NA, Europe + developed asian countries like SK, Singapore, Japan etc, hopefully Thailand--that's what I really care about--miss the beaches there.

2024 and beyond, whole world, i can go brazil amazon and africa safari?

man, i will be too old by then...fk...

you can go to france 14 days after getting your second dose. a return ticket is under 700$ for august, and if you really want to travel you should do that before the summer ends.

forgetpwd wrote: ↑ by normal I mean as long as you are fully vaxed, i.e. a vax passport, you could skip the pcr, antigen all those tests nonsense, and no quarantine.

apparently 2021 is done.

2022, 2nd half, NA and Europe, maybe?

2023, NA, Europe + developed asian countries like SK, Singapore, Japan etc, hopefully Thailand--that's what I really care about--miss the beaches there.

2024 and beyond, whole world, i can go brazil amazon and africa safari?

man, i will be too old by then...fk...

Where did you see that? JT did mention something about an app where you could upload your documents for proof, but no timetable.

blexann wrote: ↑ Where did you see that? JT did mention something about an app where you could upload your documents for proof, but no timetable.

COVID-19 vaccinated travellers entering Canada

You must use ArriveCAN to enter your proof of vaccination, quarantine and travel information.

If you don't provide the required information in ArriveCAN before arriving at the border you won't be considered for the exemption, even if you meet all the other requirements.

forgetpwd wrote: ↑ by normal I mean as long as you are fully vaxed, i.e. a vax passport, you could skip the pcr, antigen all those tests nonsense, and no quarantine.

apparently 2021 is done.

2022, 2nd half, NA and Europe, maybe?

2023, NA, Europe + developed asian countries like SK, Singapore, Japan etc, hopefully Thailand--that's what I really care about--miss the beaches there.

2024 and beyond, whole world, i can go brazil amazon and africa safari?

man, i will be too old by then...fk...

How old is too old to travel? My 78 year old aunt who has been to 116 countries (no lie) would beg to differ. She did a month long walking tour of Portugal the year before the pandemic hit and is eager to get back traveling. You're not old...

For me, I don't see myself travelling outside of Canada in 2021.

I'm fully vaccinated and I find adding ~$150 for a test to go (depending on destination) and another ~$150 for a test to come back is a bit costly.

It was the same reason that even though I had a vacation (airline/flight scheduled in January 2021), I took my vacation days from work but stayed at home... not because I didn't want to go or was overly worried (since I would be relaxing in a 20C sunny destination while wearing a mask and socially distancing instead of staying in Montreal's -20C January winter) but because of the added costs (at the point, I believe that the federal government mandated the hotel quarantine which acted as a financial deterrent for me). I also got my airfare as a credit for a future flight so I didn't "lose" anything with my cancellation. My destination hotel stay was also cancelled more than 7 days in advance so I got a full refund from that.

lmcjipo wrote: ↑It was the same reason that even though I had a vacation (airline/flight scheduled in January 2021), I took my vacation days from work but stayed at home... not because I didn't want to go or was overly worried (since I would be relaxing in a 20C sunny destination while wearing a mask and socially distancing instead of staying in Montreal's -20C January winter) but because of the added costs (at the point, I believe that the federal government mandated the hotel quarantine which acted as a financial deterrent for me). I also got my airfare as a credit for a future flight so I didn't "lose" anything with my cancellation. My destination hotel stay was also cancelled more than 7 days in advance so I got a full refund from that.

It’s interesting how our memories “reconstruct” the past. (I work in a field in which people’s reports of events weeks or months previous is important.)

The hotel requirement started in late February. I recalled that because someone I knew died on February 22 and their daughter arrived internationally on February 20, just in time to not be subject to the hotel quarantine.

As of February 21, travellers, unless exempted, have been required to: “reserve a government-authorized hotel for 3 nights prior to departure to Canada“.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sandramacg ... 4a00643eaa

MexiCanuck wrote: ↑ It’s interesting how our memories “reconstruct” the past. (I work in a field in which people’s reports of events weeks or months previous is important.)

The hotel requirement started in late February. I recalled that because someone I knew died on February 22 and their daughter arrived internationally on February 20, just in time to not be subject to the hotel quarantine.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/sandramacg ... 4a00643eaa

Thanks for the correction. As mentioned in my post, I believe that it was when the federal government implemented the hotel stay but mistaken. I am sure that there was a financial deterrent at the time (maybe it was the testing as well as having to spend my last day in a foreign country trying to find a place which would give me the necessary/proper test and have the results in enough time to board the airplane) since as mentioned, I would have gone just to get away from the Canadian winter for a week and where I was going, they had mask mandates but businesses/restaurants were allowed to remain open with occupancy limits while I believe in Montreal at the time, only what was considered essential businesses (pharmacies, grocery stores, gas stations, etc.) were allowed to remain open.

Kiraly wrote: ↑ We gambled on October 2021 and booked travel to and from Europe, stopping in NYC for a few days along the way. If things stay the same between now and then we'll just have to do the antigen test thing and all of that. But if things take a turn for the worse, with tighter restrictions or significantly increasing cases, we'll stay home.

Good news today. Spain just today added residents of Canada to its not-at-risk list, so no PCR test or quarantine required. That's good, because we are entering the EU at MAD.
We are flying onwards to Hungary, so keeping fingers crossed that the current restrictions there will be lifted too by October, and that Spain sticks with easy entry for Canadians.

Depends how you define fully vaxed. Even though Justin sees it as a route to an early election majority out of covid, mixing is not approved by many countries.

dirtmover wrote: ↑ Depends how you define fully vaxed. Even though Justin sees it as a route to an early election majority out of covid, mixing is not approved by many countries.

No way Mann. Just say Health Canada approved it. They will bow down to our feet in deference.

Fully vaccinated Americans could be allowed into Canada by mid-August, Trudeau says

Canada is getting ready to welcome the world again, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau quietly indicated late Thursday as his office disclosed a target of mid-August for when the border might reopen for fully vaccinated Americans.

And if the current vaccination rate remains on its upward trajectory, fully vaccinated travellers from around the world could begin arriving by early September, Trudeau said during a COVID-19 status update with Canada's premiers.

Dhanushan wrote: ↑ Fully vaccinated Americans could be allowed into Canada by mid-August, Trudeau says

This could become interesting, especially for Americans and “vaccination passports”.

Your guide to what’s happening with vaccine passports in the US

President Joe Biden has already said there won’t be a national app, leaving the choice to states. Some states have banned the apps outright as examples of government overreach. Often the debate over the technology seems like a proxy for a larger question: Should governments and businesses be allowed to require vaccination for covid? We looked at the status of digital vaccine systems in all 50 states.

A few key takeaways:

• Most states have addressed the technology in some way, either in legislation or in comments from a lawmaker, a public health official, or the governor.
• 4 states have active vaccine certification apps.
• 19 states have banned the systems to some degree, typically through executive orders. Most, though not all, of these states are Republican-led.
• Some states have banned their use only in facilities or agencies connected to state government; others have enacted moratoriums on any use whatsoever.

So Canada might open the border to fully vaccinated travelers, but Americans from some states may not be able to provide proof of vaccination.

I hope our government does trust the word of those who want to enter Canada, or accept documents that are unverifiable or easily forged.

Canada hasn't specified what they'll accept as proof of vaccination but if they're using the same standard as for Canadians working abroad, the CDC vaccination card will work.
I have a friend who works in WA and went back for a few months earlier this year to visit family in Vancouver and Canadian customs accepted his CDC card as proof of vaccination. Mind you WA also has an online version of the certificate but he told me he just presented the card.