Why does Sienna lag behind the Odysey?
How can this be? Toyota does not improvise its van over the years?
Aug 23rd, 2019 11:42 pm
Aug 23rd, 2019 11:56 pm
Toyota hasn't redesigned it in ten years. Odyssey was done in 2018.
Aug 24th, 2019 1:38 am
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Euuhh, that's what makes a van a van. If you want clearance and awd, plenty of options out there. They're just called CUVs.
Aug 24th, 2019 11:46 am
Aug 24th, 2019 1:14 pm
The next Sienna will be out for the 2021 model year and most likely be revealed at the LA Auto Show later this year.
Aug 25th, 2019 11:00 am
So you're saying that Honda improvises? Or that you want Toyota to improvise? Not sure what you're saying here but either way, improvising doesn't sound like something anyone wants to hear a car maker doing (whether or not they do it).
Aug 25th, 2019 12:59 pm
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Aug 25th, 2019 2:16 pm
x2. The 3rd Generation 2005-2010 we're the best.georvu wrote: ↑ Most reviewer like the handling [lower to ground] aspects of Ody over Sienna. But Sienna no slouch and you're not drag racing when buying a minivan.
Both have more then enough power and space.
IMHO there are no great minivans made anymore. The current gen Sienna probably best from Ody , Grand Caravan, Pacifica, VW badged Chrysler, Sedona.
Think the last great minivan was Ody two gens ago; like 2010.
Aug 25th, 2019 4:28 pm
Aug 28th, 2019 6:48 am
Except most of them died due to the rusting issue and oil bb urning issue in conjunction with the VCM.
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Aug 29th, 2019 9:06 am
There's only 1 gen 1. It's the one that was the VIP special 4 swing out doors and the 4 Cylinder. It was indeed the best Generation.
At least with the VSC there's a tried and true way to prevent them from dying, every 40k KM you need to change the diff fluid and check the diff vent. Toyota's maint schedule is wrong dead wrong for the diff. IIRC for the Venza/Matrix or Rav4 they put Inspect the fluid every 40k or 60k. Never says Replace and even in the service documentation that dealers would have it does not have a replace recommendation. I understand the Parts may not be the same but the designs for the VSC are all similar they are all electromagnetic couplers and it's in use right now in the torque vectoring rear diff for the new Rav 4.cartfan123 wrote: ↑ Tell that Sienna reliability to my POS AWD 2011 Sienna with the rear vicious coupler (a known issue) failing at 100k (typical mileage failure). No coverage or goodwill by Toyota. Then failing o2 sensors at 8 years. Not to mention the cheap garbage plastic interior and the bulbous soft ride. I’ll take another gen 3 Odyssey (05-10) any day. I prefer the handling and solid feel to the Ody.
It’s like these companies know minivan buyers are captive to a small selection set and can just make trash. Pacifica? Please. Pricing on that is a joke.
These days I’d probably just as well keep cycling thru Dodge Caravans on CVP clear out sales and pitch them before 100k/5yrs. Brand loyalty is for suckers. Like being loyal to Bell or Rogers.