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World postal rates overhauled after US quit threat

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World postal rates overhauled after US quit threat

World postal rates overhauled after US quit threat
The agreement means the US and other high volume importers can set their own rates for delivering mail from abroad.

The US had earlier threatened to pull out, arguing that discount rates for countries such as China were putting the US at a massive disadvantage.

It said that it had become cheaper for US consumers to ship items from China rather than buying domestically. As a result, it argued this was unfair to US manufacturers and was costing the US Postal Service up to $500m ($404m) a year...

From January 2021, high-volume importers will be able to impose "self-declared rates" for delivering foreign mail and packages.

Countries that import more than 75,000 tonnes (75m kgs) of post every year can apply their own rates by July 2020.
So does Canada import more than 75k tonnes of stuff from China by post? If so expect shipping costs on sites like eBay and Aliexpress to go up.

See also: U.S. Will Remain in Postal Treaty After Emergency Talks
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My interpretation is that countries can set their own rates if they import a total of more than 75k tonnes. Not necessarily from any one country.

I wonder why they chose 75k as the cutoff, and not 10k, 50k or 100k. Somebody unliked is out there importing *just* 60k tonnes of mail.

It's going to make shipping estimates a lot more complicated for small sellers. Every big country is going to have its own rate. You'll have faraway countries that will be cheap to send to, and nearby ones will be expensive.

I hope the UPU can push for standardization that will streamline international shipping. Sending packages with addresses in 3pt font shouldn't be acceptable. The price of delivery confirmation should be the same for an international packages as it is for domestic. Origin shouldn't matter.

Would also be nice if I could send parcels across Canada for less than an American can send them internationally to Canada.
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^i see you can understand the frustration of americans on how it is cheaper for china to ship to them than they ship to themselves, and we have it even worse with both china and america ship to us for cheaper than we ship to ourselves. It goes to show you how expensive and noncompetitive our economy is in the international market.
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HammerRFDer wrote: My interpretation is that countries can set their own rates if they import a total of more than 75k tonnes. Not necessarily from any one country.

I wonder why they chose 75k as the cutoff, and not 10k, 50k or 100k. Somebody unliked is out there importing *just* 60k tonnes of mail.

It's going to make shipping estimates a lot more complicated for small sellers. Every big country is going to have its own rate. You'll have faraway countries that will be cheap to send to, and nearby ones will be expensive.

I hope the UPU can push for standardization that will streamline international shipping. Sending packages with addresses in 3pt font shouldn't be acceptable. The price of delivery confirmation should be the same for an international packages as it is for domestic. Origin shouldn't matter.

Would also be nice if I could send parcels across Canada for less than an American can send them internationally to Canada.
I don't see why countries/shipping companies shouldn't be allowed to set any price they like.
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engineered wrote: I don't see why countries/shipping companies shouldn't be allowed to set any price they like.
Because some small countries with less-than-honest leaders would use it as an excuse to profit from their citizens.
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retrothing wrote: Because some small countries with less-than-honest leaders would use it as an excuse to profit from their citizens.
Doesn't seem to have helped. Fixing prices for shipping seems to be an odd way of doing it.
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engineered wrote: Doesn't seem to have helped. Fixing prices for shipping seems to be an odd way of doing it.
True. Dirt-cheap Chinese postal charges are costing the USPS and Canada Post many millions of dollars because they're only being paid pennies to deliver cheap AliExpress products.
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So what is the new rate?
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divx wrote: So what is the new rate?
So did you read the OP let alone the linked article?
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bylo wrote: So did you read the OP let alone the linked article?
Yes, it just says each country can apply their own rate, but doesn't say what the new rate is for Canada and the States.
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Actually what it says is, "From January 2021, high-volume importers will be able to impose "self-declared rates" for delivering foreign mail and packages. Countries that import more than 75,000 tonnes (75m kgs) of post every year can apply their own rates by July 2020."

Does comparing today's date compare with the bolded dates help to answer your question?
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This is also a reason why sending stuff internationally from Canada is so #@#$! expensive. Canada Post's costs of delivering incoming stuff from China have exploded over the last decade. It has to be paid for somehow. We complain about those outrageous prices for outgoing parcels, but really it's we who order cheap junk directly from China that are the root cause.
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retrothing wrote: True. Dirt-cheap Chinese postal charges are costing the USPS and Canada Post many millions of dollars because they're only being paid pennies to deliver cheap AliExpress products.
Hence why Canada Post domiciles them for weeks/months in a warehouse somewhere in Montreal. They lose money delivering that stuff.
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HammerRFDer wrote: My interpretation is that countries can set their own rates if they import a total of more than 75k tonnes. Not necessarily from any one country.

I wonder why they chose 75k as the cutoff, and not 10k, 50k or 100k. Somebody unliked is out there importing *just* 60k tonnes of mail.

It's going to make shipping estimates a lot more complicated for small sellers. Every big country is going to have its own rate. You'll have faraway countries that will be cheap to send to, and nearby ones will be expensive.

I hope the UPU can push for standardization that will streamline international shipping. Sending packages with addresses in 3pt font shouldn't be acceptable. The price of delivery confirmation should be the same for an international packages as it is for domestic. Origin shouldn't matter.

Would also be nice if I could send parcels across Canada for less than an American can send them internationally to Canada.
To be fair USPS is bleeding money. It lost 4b last year and is on track to lose 7b this year. They're shipping prices are bound to catch up sooner or later.

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