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Poll: Are Canadian cars overpriced

  • Total votes: 335. You have voted on this poll.
I have no voice, Canadian Dealers/Manufacturers are taking advantage of the Canadian consumer
 
112
33%
In most cases, new cars purchased in the US are almost always thousands cheaper
 
149
44%
I owe no one a living, competition is good. Thank you NAFTA!
 
61
18%
With the exchange rate factored in, Canadian prices are roughly the same
 
6
2%
With the exchange rate and financing, Canadian prices are cheaper - Buy Canadian!
 
7
2%

Poll ended at Dec 28th, 2006 1:46 pm

Deal Addict
Jul 20, 2005
1988 posts
330 upvotes
baz5 wrote: Making tens of thousands of dollars off someone else's site is disgraceful, if you ask me.
And why's that? We've had tons of "insider" postings of sales ads before they are distributed via mail, or even the shopadidas website owner posting his own promotion here. Not to mention the plethora of restaurant deals/coupons that pops up on the food forums from the owners or their friends. I think you're on the wrong website then if you don't like this.
Newbie
Nov 8, 2007
61 posts
baz5 wrote: Making tens of thousands of dollars off someone else's site is disgraceful, if you ask me.
Oh yes...an absolute complete disgrace...

Get over yourself...

Here's a newsflash...Canadian's are going to find him either way...If anything he is doing us a favour....

Do you have nothing better to do?

Seriously...
Deal Addict
Dec 23, 2005
2147 posts
340 upvotes
Canada
michelb wrote: Use to be yes but not anymore. BMW Canada has changed their policy to match Mercedes - basically everything must be done through BMW authorized dealers. As detailed in recent posts, it appears that you need to get the letter from BMW Canada $500, I believe BMW Canada requires an inspection for $350, sounds like they require modifications to the dash / computer / console to the tune of $1000+.

Just look back in the last 10 pages or so and other posts have all the details.
I should not have to give a turd about BMW policy. What about RIV.

Says right on Rivs site - In some cases, we will also accept a printout from an authorized American dealer. If you obtain a printout from an American dealer, you must ensure that they are an authorized dealer and not a re-seller. You can confirm this by calling the head office of the manufacturer and providing them with the location of the dealership in question
If the printout is from an authorized American dealership, the company stamp must be affixed to the printout. In either case, the 17 digit Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) of the vehicle in question must be included in the letter.
If your vehicle does not have any outstanding recalls then the letter should say "this vehicle has no outstanding recalls." This letter must be presented to the RIV department prior to your Vehicle Inspection Form being released.

This was fine with RIV for every other make, is BMW running RIV now? What stops other car makers from pulling this crap!

Where does RIV get direction from. How can BMW get away with this.!!!!!!
BWM can fo
I dont see anything in any Canadian Law saying a car needs a letter of admissibility!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BMW go screw yourselfs!!! I will never own another beamer as long as I live!
Newbie
Apr 26, 2006
39 posts
ManchSubaruDealer wrote: I'm sick and tired of reading about people publicly critisizing my methods. I'm not going to name any names, but you know who you are. You're absolutely correct, I have ten posts, now eleven, and each and every one of them promotes myself. How much money have I saved RFD members? I've never claimed to be the only show in town. That's the thing about it, consumers can buy a new Subaru from whomever they want to. They choose to buy from me. Do you know why they buy from me? They purchase from me, because they don't get stuck at the border with bad or disorganized paperwork, because they save thousands, because they've heard great reviews about me. That's why they buy from me. Of course I'm making money off the sales, I don't work for free, nobody does. My pricing is always fair, always way below invoice and there are no surprises when dealing with me. For those of you who don't want me on this post anymore, why don't you ask how the 35 RFD members who love me feel about me being on this post? If this post is so bad, then stop reading it! It's that simple, and do yourself a favor. If you're going to mention your 5th grade kid in a post, have him proof read it for errors so you don't look like a fool. For those of you serious about buying a Subaru please contact me so I can help you save thousands...
I can witness what Xan has said is true because today when I went to the US border office at Highgate Spring to export my car, the man before me was questioned by the officer for missing information on the certificate of origin. However, the certificate of origin I got from Xan for my Tribeca is well completed and I spent less than 1 min with another officer. When I left, the man before me who bought a Volvo from a Burlington dealer was still with that officer.
Jr. Member
Jun 28, 2007
126 posts
13 upvotes
Transport Canada is proposing an amendment to immobilizer regulations, which will allow US vehicles with an electronic immobilizer to come into Canada. This will clear things up for many people, and take away the ploy used by several manufacturers to prevent us from bringing in vehicles.

See: http://canadagazette.gc.ca/partI/2007/2 ... e14-e.html

It's important, during the 15 day review period, to have as many RFDers as possible endorse this proposed change.

WHAT TO DO

e-mail your comment to: davisda@tc.gc.ca <davisda@tc.gc.ca>

E-Mail heading: RE: Regulations Amending the Motor Vehicle Safety Regulations (Importation of Vehicles
Sr. Member
Mar 14, 2005
879 posts
77 upvotes
baz5 wrote: Are you 12? Honestly?
Just trying to relate to you at the level of competence you're displaying.

I figure 8 years old was my targeted level of communication.
Newbie
Nov 13, 2007
14 posts
GTA
Snugster24 wrote: Excellent thread!

I recently imported an 08 Camry from an authorized Toyota Dealership with no problems. Well, except for the recall clearance letter...which I am still trying to get.

...but here is a question I could not find an answer to on this thread...

Can you sell your imported vehicle after getting it certified to Canadian standards and registered in Ontario? Someone mentioned to me there was a year wait, but I can't locate that reference on any government site.

Anyone know where to look for it or know the answer?


Thanks!!



Have you looked at the FORM 1? Any conditions ? Usually information is there.
Newbie
Nov 29, 2007
8 posts
showMeAnImport wrote: Surprised to hear you are having a problem getting a recall clearance letter from Toyota...That is one things they have apparently been really great about for people...

Are they refusing to give you one or something?

Cheers
There is a recall out on all weather floor matts...and I didn't have them installed (they are an option). I have already imported the Camry but can't get a straight answer how to remove the recall from the file on my vehicle at Toyota. If I can they will issue a recall....

...I don't get it. No floor matts in the car...but must have recall fixed....


Anyone know if you can sell a import within the first year???
Newbie
Nov 29, 2007
8 posts
SPaulS wrote: Have you looked at the FORM 1? Any conditions ? Usually information is there.
...good point...

Ok...I looked at form 1.

Here's what I found near the top:

This conveyance may not be sold or disposed of in Canada:

(Blank Box) At anytime, without authorization from CBSA
(Blank Box) On or before...blank.
(CHECKED BOX) This conveyance is not subject to a disposal restriction.



I think that answers my question. Thanks SPaulS!!!
Deal Addict
Dec 23, 2005
2147 posts
340 upvotes
Canada
Here is some contact emails addresses for some BMW Canada higher ups.

If every sends them emails and complains maybe they will change. Nort sure if these emails work any more but worth a shot


Lindsay.Duffield@bmwgroup.ca - Lindsay Duffield president and CEO of BMW Group Canada

robert.dexter@bmwgroup.ca - Rob Dexter, Product and Technology Specialist, BMW Group Canada

kevin.marcotte@bmwgroup.ca - Kevin Marcotte, Corporate Communications Manager, BMW Group Canada

stacy.morris@bmwgroup.ca - Stacy Morris, Corporate Communications, Business, Lifestyle and Marketing Specialist, BMW Group Canada




And here are a bunch more emails to send your complaints to about the system of RIV, Transport Canada and the auto manufacturers all in bed together!!!

mintc@tc.gc.ca, CBSA-ASFC@canada.gc.ca, info@livingstonintl.com, RoadSafetyWebMail@tc.gc.ca, pm@pm.gc.ca, Dion.S@parl.gc.ca, Duceppe.G@parl.gc.ca, Layton.J@parl.gc.ca, sitecanadasite@canada.gc.ca, compbureau@cb-bc.gc.ca, Hinton.B@parl.gc.ca, info@riv.ca, ctvglobemediacommunications@ctvglobemedia.com, davisda@tc.gc.ca, jcato@globeandmail.com, consumer.information@ic.gc.ca, helps@pulse24.com,
Member
Jan 6, 2005
207 posts
162 upvotes
This thread is great.... finally i got my Tribeca 7-passenger with dvd and navi today from Karl.

Even with today's exchange rate, I still save >$17,000 assuming the local dealership here willing to give 5% discount.

Here is the whole day itinerary:
- Drove to Rochester aiport with the National car rental.... (used the Big 10 code and get $48/day + 20 cents/km) at 6:30am and arrived at 10am.
Somehow, the odometer reading recorded in their computer is much more than what i have in the car... so i end up paying only $10 of mileage from Toronto to Rochester :lol: :lol: so total is $67 CAD

- Karl sent someone to pickme up at airport.... arrived the dealership at around 10:45am... go through all the documents and left at around 11:30am
- grab some lunch and drop by walmart to pickup something...
- arrived at US border around 2:40pm, there were about 7 people already in front of me....
- arrived at Canadian border at 2:55 and leave around 3:25... there's huge lineup for Customs. (a lot of new vehicles)
- arrived at RIV office late by 10 min... but i managed to sneak inside and the nice lady willing to do my case :)
- went to cdn tire at queensway and have it inspected in about 30 min...
- will do licensing sat morning
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Nov 28, 2004
1708 posts
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North York
Congrats on your new Tribeca..Enjoy it and its's high resale value.
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Nov 3, 2007
90 posts
He sent me the exact same response. :) hahaaha
bluemule999 wrote: Response to my email from Jeremy Cato:

Of course there are savings to be had. Nothing new in that. I have written about this scores of times in the Globe, for the past 18 months. Long before any other newspaper even touched the issue. Do your research.

Look, the piece was not about pricing; it was about crossing all your "Ts" and dotting all your "Is" -- paying attention to the details -- before you import a U.S. car. Most people are NOT good at this. They need to be told in no uncertain terms that there are hoops through which they will need to jump. I never said it can't be done. What the article does is emphasize that it's not as easy as buying a sweater at Target. And I think most of the stories on this have implied it is -- misleading people.

In any number of articles and online forums I have repeatedly told readers to import if they can get a better deal. Just be aware of what's involved.

JC
Newbie
Nov 3, 2007
90 posts
That name Lindsay Duffield rings a bell, wasn't he the guy on that radio show a few weeks back talking about stuff? It was posted on this forum?

If that is the case, that guy is full of crap , and sending him email is a waste of time, since he is obviously a thief at best.

I wrote at least 40 emails to the government apes in Canada, and at least as many to manufacturers...

Just because they are planning to change that idiotic moronic immobilizer BS, don't mean the government is A OK in my book. They are still swine
Member
Nov 8, 2007
272 posts
55 upvotes
White Rock BC
So, the tide went out and we see who is swimming naked, Since Transport Canada did the right thing for Canadians, we should focus on the OEMS discriminatory trade practices. US banks were giving mortgages to illegal aliens and a Canadians cannot buy a new car!
Jr. Member
Jun 24, 2007
138 posts
rgc97 wrote: Transport Canada is proposing an amendment to immobilizer regulations, which will allow US vehicles with an electronic immobilizer to come into Canada. This will clear things up for many people, and take away the ploy used by several manufacturers to prevent us from bringing in vehicles.

See: http://canadagazette.gc.ca/partI/2007/2 ... e14-e.html

It's important, during the 15 day review period, to have as many RFDers as possible endorse this proposed change.

WHAT TO DO

e-mail your comment to: davisda@tc.gc.ca <davisda@tc.gc.ca>

E-Mail heading: RE: Regulations Amending the Motor Vehicle Safety Regulations (Importation of Vehicles &#8212; Section 12); Canada Gazette, Vol. 141, No. 48 &#8212; December 1, 2007

Suggested Message:

Dear Minister:

As a Canadian taxpayer, and recent importer of a US purchased vehicle, I strongly support these proposed changes. I want to thank Transport Canada for a fair and thorough analysis of the situation, and the proposal of an excellent solution.

I remain concerned that manufacturers will continue to try to thwart the right of Canadians to 'vote with their wallets'. If manufacturers would adjust their Canadian prices to more closely align with US prices, there would be no need for Canadians to go south for their vehicle purchase.

It is unfortunate (and to me, unethical) that manufacturers are using the current immobilizer regulations to prevent the importation of many popular vehicles, at typical savings of ten to twenty thousand dollars. Transport Canada could not have anticipated this when the original regulations were drafted, and then brought into law. The proposed changes will correct this embarrassing situation.

I look forward to the registration of these regulations, and the return to fairer trade in vehicles.

Yours truly,

<Your name here>

WOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! :cheesygri :cheesygri :cheesygri :cheesygri


STI's/WRXs and Forester XTs are back on the table, folks!
Jr. Member
Jun 24, 2007
138 posts
st7860 wrote: i hereby and solemnly declare, +1

however if this subaru guy was actually sponsoring this board, thats a whole different ball of earwax.
Well there is a difference between self promotion or also trying to help out and participate in the discussion and contribute information. (I am not saying Xan is doing one or the other but just making a point).. Not to toot my own horn but I feel like I am pretty well versed in the process now since I do often have to help walk my customers through it. So I am here to self promote but also just to generally participate in the discussion and help out. Be aware that for dealers like Xan and I, we often spend 5 times as much time and energy on a canadian deal as a local one and in my case I make the same commission.. so give him a break... If you are selling cars to Canada you have to enjoy it at least a little bit since it is fairly time consuming. Not to mention there are a /lot/ more things that can go wrong. But it is fun to help out and nice to think that I am saving people $10,000+ and introducing new people to a brand I am love with (Subaru) that normally might not be able to afford the car they are buying...
I can't tell you how many canadians have come up to me when they are taking delivery of their new car and said, "Zach, thank you so much... Honestly if we couldn't get this pricing, we wouldn't be buying a (Tribeca, etc) as we simply couldn't afford it." ... So that is a pretty *cool* feeling and definitely rewarding. Anyway I'm rambling now but you get the point..give Xan a break.
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Apr 29, 2001
4799 posts
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Toronto
rfd_parasite wrote: Looks like you can import the new cars

http://www.globeinvestor.com/servlet/st ... 1/GIStory/
What goes around comes around.

... Ottawa's move has also created a loophole that's certain to irk auto makers, who as of Sept. 1 have been required to include immobilizers in vehicles sold in Canada
Mark77 wrote: That's not very nice....and you're missing out on a lot of valuable knowledge if you ignore me. Your loss.

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