Unlimited 2Mbps Data Plan, Fully Hotspottable, $20/month

Gangsta101 wrote: ↑ Useless for you? Yes!

For most other humans who aren't watching 4K HD streams on their phone 247, this could be a heck of a deal.

Even for basic stuff this is gonna be slow AF. I'd rather pay an extra $10/month and get much better speeds

What's the use case here?

The $30 mobile plans get you proper speeds and have more than enough data for your phone, to say nothing about voice and text.

2Mbps is too slow for home use unless you never stream videos.

TrueToy wrote: ↑ how did you use 1tb of data in a month?
2mbit = .25mB/s * 86400 seconds iis 25gb per day
* 30 days is 648gb

it is literally not possible to use 1tb a month on this plan

its nice to know this exists, but the usage case case is tiny, not many people needs tons of very slow data.

As the post says, upload speed is generally 4-6 Mbps. Letting torrents seed constantly, 5Mbps can use 1TB in ~2.5 weeks. I use a private tracker so keeping my ratio up is something I care about. Perhaps that's niche, but the ability to use 648GB in a month on download alone isn't something to scoff at either.

Also, the ability to watch YouTube in 1080p isn't "very slow data" to a whole lot of the population. I used to volunteer at a library computer centre and would get so annoyed at grandmas walking in asking if the salesmen at the phone store telling them they needed to get the new top of the line flagship were right. I also get annoyed at ISPs who spend hella money convincing people they need to shell out for internet plans that are orders of magnitude faster than what's needed to actually do what they want to do with it.

I won't lie and say 2Mbps is anyone's idea of racecar fast, but I feel like calling speeds fast enough for 1080p streaming "very slow data" is either disingenuous or simply out of touch.

Excitations wrote: ↑ 2Mbps is too slow for home use unless you never stream videos.

I'm not sure which part of "I stream 1080p YouTube and Netflix without buffering" we're having trouble with here.

pdipps wrote: ↑ Did they give you a heads up that you were getting cancelled, or was it just instantly no data?

They contacted me 3x about it. First one was a heads-up, second was a stronger wording, third was the cancellation notice indicating the date of cancellation (was a week out, I had time to get the new SIM in order).

TrueToy wrote: ↑ well, netflix says the minimum for SD (480P) is 3mbit. I'm not saying its not possible to stream video over a 2mbit connection, but this will feel extremely slow for everyone, not just people looking for fidelity

Unfortunately there are 2 problems with your statement.
1. You are confusing Mbit and Mbytes. If you chose to use Megabits/Second then OP's speed would be 16 Megabits/second.
2. Netfix recommends, but doesn't insist on. Take it as a suggestion to get buffer-free streaming consistently.

My point still remains valid, not everyone uses phone internet for video streaming. I barely ever watch videos on my phone. I stream a lot of music and have conference calls and such, and this speed tier is more than adequate. The only thing that will stop me from signing up is the fact they can stop the service at anytime for excessive roaming.

thejackson5 wrote: ↑ As the post says, upload speed is generally 4-6 Mbps. Letting torrents seed constantly, 5Mbps can use 1TB in ~2.5 weeks. I use a private tracker so keeping my ratio up is something I care about. Perhaps that's niche, but the ability to use 648GB in a month on download alone isn't something to scoff at either.

Also, the ability to watch YouTube in 1080p isn't "very slow data" to a whole lot of the population. I used to volunteer at a library computer centre and would get so annoyed at grandmas walking in asking if the salesmen at the phone store telling them they needed to get the new top of the line flagship were right. I also get annoyed at ISPs who spend hella money convincing people they need to shell out for internet plans that are orders of magnitude faster than what's needed to actually do what they want to do with it.

I won't lie and say 2Mbps is anyone's idea of racecar fast, but I feel like calling speeds fast enough for 1080p streaming "very slow data" is either disingenuous or simply out of touch.

Video resolution

https://support.google.com/youtube/answ ... 8?hl=en-GB

Recommended sustained speed
4K UHD 20 Mbps
HD 1080p 5 Mbps
HD 720p 2.5 Mbps
SD 480p 1.1 Mbps
SD 360p 0.7 Mbps

2mbit doesn't even meet minimums on youtube for 720p, let alone 1080p

Gangsta101 wrote: ↑ Unfortunately there are 2 problems with your statement.
1. You are confusing Mbit and Mbytes. If you chose to use Megabits/Second then OP's speed would be 16 Megabits/second.
2. Netfix recommends, but doesn't insist on. Take it as a suggestion to get buffer-free streaming consistently.

My point still remains valid, not everyone uses phone internet for video streaming. I barely ever watch videos on my phone. I stream a lot of music and have conference calls and such, and this speed tier is more than adequate. The only thing that will stop me from signing up is the fact they can stop the service at anytime for excessive roaming.

nope, I'm not confused. mbps is megabits per second, and netflix' recommended speeds are measured in mbps.

Decent option for Sask people.

It's already DOA for outside province users, based on the three month rule stated earlier.

No way to proxy or VPN your way out of it, as it's based on tower usage.

2 Mbps == 0.25MB/s

aomous wrote: ↑ Even for basic stuff this is gonna be slow AF. I'd rather pay an extra $10/month and get much better speeds

I think you underestimate what 2mbps can do. You forget the world ran pretty well on 3.5g mobile internet for years, and this is even better, because it's just the speed that is limited, the latency should be pretty good. Voice calls and video calls should run really well on this service.

meetjonca wrote: ↑ 2 Mbps == 0.25MB/s

It's fine for low quality video streams, which a ton of people use.

Only 384 kpbs to 512kpbs is required in some cases, e.g. 144p, 160p, etc.

MrBungal wrote: ↑ So Wundle is a big 3 reseller? Is it in Canada? Or does it routes it's data outside of the country like 3HK or fonus?

They're an MVNO like PhoneBox as far as I can tell. Per the speedtests, the data stays within Canada. My Fonus SIM speedtests showed a U.S. IP. The Wundle ones show a Saskatchewan one. It's a bit of a bummer as I prefer the American Netflix catalogue, but also means I can access some Canadian georestricted stuff (e.g. the medical clinic I go to's appointment website doesn't work from int'l IPs).

TrueToy wrote: ↑ Video resolution

https://support.google.com/youtube/answ ... 8?hl=en-GB

Recommended sustained speed
4K UHD 20 Mbps
HD 1080p 5 Mbps
HD 720p 2.5 Mbps
SD 480p 1.1 Mbps
SD 360p 0.7 Mbps

2mbit doesn't even meet minimums on youtube for 720p, let alone 1080p

Those are recommended speeds, which are not the same as minimum speeds. They're also not distinguishing between 30fps and 60fps which, given the fact that YouTube has some 720p 60fps videos but no 480p 60fps videos, makes me assume they're citing 60fps speeds.

I'd also be happy to post a screen recording showing a 1080p YouTube vid streaming on the 2Mbps with the video buffer increasing (i.e. showing the video will continue to stream indefinitely without buffering), though I'm quite sure goalposts will simply be moved so I'm not sure I see the point.

thejackson5 wrote: ↑ I'm not sure which part of "I stream 1080p YouTube and Netflix without buffering" we're having trouble with here.

Believability. You're saying this is your home Internet? And you used their 512Kbps as that previously?

Excitations wrote: ↑ Believability. You're saying this is your home Internet? And you used their 512Kbps as that previously?

It's not a question of belief. Simulate a 2Mbps throttle in Chrome then load up a 1080p@30fps video on YouTube. It plays without buffering.

Excitations wrote: ↑ You're saying this is your home Internet? And you used their 512Kbps as that previously?

As of a few months ago, it's both my cell phone plan and my home internet. I used to have their 512Kbps Telus plan (indicated in the post I made 3 years ago that I linked to), but that plan didn't allow hotspotting. There was a way around this through USB tethering, but was a bit cumbersome and probably more techie than most people would be comfortable with.

thejackson5 wrote: ↑ They're an MVNO like PhoneBox as far as I can tell. Per the speedtests, the data stays within Canada. My Fonus SIM speedtests showed a U.S. IP. The Wundle ones show a Saskatchewan one. It's a bit of a bummer as I prefer the American Netflix catalogue, but also means I can access some Canadian georestricted stuff (e.g. the medical clinic I go to's appointment website doesn't work from int'l IPs).

Just don't understand the SK restriction. They have to pay more for redistribution if it's outside SK?

MrBungal wrote: ↑ Just don't understand the SK restriction. They have to pay more for redistribution if it's outside SK?

I've been following with keen interest various Canadian MVNO offerings for many years. In fact, I've been following even non-Canadian MVNO offerings that Canadians can take advantage of — if you need evidence of how far we've come in terms of pricing in a short while, this post of mine from just 2022 for a $215/month unlimited data plan has a score of +39 as it was a steal at the time — so I feel relatively qualified to form a hypothesis.

My strong suspicion is that, based on the speedtest, they have worked out a partnership with SaskTel (whose name showed up) and are only allowed to market to SK residents. SK's usual policy is 3 months in a row of roaming, which Wundle probably has to loosely enforce on the top X% of users, which is why my 1TB of usage caught their ire. I can speak from experience as a former user of the Tbaytel 400GB mobile internet SIM for almost a year outside of Thunder Bay that the regionals don't consistently enforce their roaming policies (either because they don't have effective processes in place to detect out-of-region users, or don't care).

People in Reddit threads (here and here) in r/Saskatchewan echo this:

I have been using a Bell phone on a Sask plan since 2014 with no issue. Lost my phone in Regina went in and signed up. Living in BC. Awesome service cause it’s Bell no using other carriers tower.

I have relatives in BC and Ontario that usually upgrade their phones here in Saskatchewan when they are here for a visit because our plans are often significantly cheaper than most other provinces.

Lots of people move to BC and keep their Sask cell phones because our plans are drastically cheaper than most provinces.

Sister has a SaskTel phone and lives in Victoria, loves it.

Also, I want to correct an earlier misstatement I made about Wundle being the only to offer a 2Mbps throttle: It looks like Tbaytel DO now offer consumer plans with 2Mbps throttles. They have a $65/month plan with 100GB (Canada only) and $90/month with 150GB (US/Can). I'll probably write up a post about these in the next few days if noone else has by then.

thejackson5 wrote: ↑ It's not a question of belief. Simulate a 2Mbps throttle in Chrome then load up a 1080p@30fps video on YouTube. It plays without buffering.

this video is 101.3 MB and 4.5 minutes long (1080p standard bitrate)

in 4.5 minutes, a 2mbit connection can download ~67mB

a 2mbit connection cannot steam this without buffering.

TrueToy wrote: ↑

this video is 101.3 MB and 4.5 minutes long (1080p standard bitrate)

in 4.5 minutes, a 2mbit connection can download ~67mB

a 2mbit connection cannot steam this without buffering.

LOL. You're a funny person. For someone whose signature loudly screams "Science is not an opinion contest", you sure do know how to push out opinions without bothering to check your data.
@thejackson5 already told you how to prove/disprove his assertion. You can't be bother to perform the experiment but insist on shoving more opinions down his throat?

You keep insisting on using the term mbit (whatever that means) when OP and everyone else is referring to Mbps (Megabytes per second).

Quite the opinion contest we've got going on here.

2mbps home wifi? I am all for cutting costs but this is a little bit nuts