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Wynne to spend >$3.4B to force Ontarians to buy 1.7M EVs

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Wynne to spend >$3.4B to force Ontarians to buy 1.7M EVs

http://business.financialpost.com/fp-co ... work-green

So, Ontarians, can I buy a subsidized EV off you? Your Dear Leader has decreed that she wants 1,700,000 EV/hybrids on the road by 2024. So, you have 7.5 years to buy 1.7M EVs or 226,666/year until you meet your target. Last year, 6600 EV/hybrids were sold, so there's a big hill to climb. Good luck!
Even the car industry would seem to agree. There just won’t be that many electric cars available to buy, even if Ontarians did want them, Flavio Volpe, president of the Automotive Parts Manufacturers’ Association of Canada, told the Globe. “Manufacturers… will not make or sell that many cars for Canada by that date.”
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is she gonna last that long in office?
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Small change. With that much electric vehicles on the road, they can raise hydro rates to offset the cost. Politicians aren't dumb.
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Lol at fail by op

Of course oil and car industry is against electric cars..they're dpenedent on IC

That's same reason why car industry is against tesla by proxy through protesting against their direct to consumer model

Oh look..here's an article too!

the dirtiest companies in industry against EV (VW and Shell)

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... eaner-cars


Op you think the oil and IC automakers would be for electric cars?
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Electric vehicles are pretty insignificant in terms of vehicles on the road at this juncture.
There will have to be a couple of major advances:

1. A lot more range - maybe about 600km or 400 miles.
2. Recharge the battery in about 5 minutes, just like putting gas in your car.
3. A lot more recharging stations across the province.
4. A much lower initial price of the car.


As far as 1 1/2 million electric cars on the road by 8 years from now.
I think that's just wishful thinking at this point.
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^liberals don't care about setting a realistic target, they won't follow through any way.
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divx wrote: ^liberals don't care about setting a realistic target, they won't follow through any way.
What is there to follow through with?
Why does there have to be a hard target?
The market will dictate what types of cars that people buy, not government regulations or incentives.

BIG changes in electric cars are going to have to happen to get 1 1/2 million electric cars on the road in the next 8 years.
Very BIG changes.
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If you'd actually drive EV you'd want one. Performance at a low running cost. The problem is up-front cost. Which is what the current rebates help to reduce to encourage uptake.

All I see in that article is a bunch of made up numbers to get a sensational statement for people to run with (as in title of this thread).
They haven't said they will pay $3.4B+ to get people into EVs. The author has decided that it must take payouts of at least a couple thousand each vehicle to make it happen. Therefore, billions.
Prices are falling rapidly, and rebates will follow the prices and drop off long before coming close to that 1.7M - probably even before the first Tesla 3's hit the road in 3-4 years.
In 8 years, EVs will be the same price as a similarly equipped ICE (or cheaper), without rebate. At which point they will sell themselves.

And of course, she won't even be in power for the next 8 years. No government has maintained the top for that many years in decades.

I agree the current uptake is much too slow to reach an overly optimistic target and that current rebates (while nice for the individual claiming them) are definitely unsustainable. They are definitely short term and will be gone once any significant volumes are on the road
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If everyone got an EV the hydro grid would collapse. We need to spend some serious money first to bring our electrical infrastructure into this millenium.
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Sounds like a "stretch goal". MUHAHA.
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So then, I take it, she will double the incentives despite how much they are spending (ontario-taxpayers-subsidized-buyers-1-1 ... r-1970483/).

Then, funny enough, the MSRP for said vehicles will also go up by the same amount. Then she'll wonder why the take up has not changed and why Ontario will be in even more debt.

Which one of you jokers voted for this person? :(
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She is already going to be making us buy new vechiles every 7 years with the new stricter safety and emissions tests that I believe were posted on here a while back.

Why haven't Ontarians protested to kick her ass out of office. She is horrible and screwing us over with everything while lining her pockets.
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The government of Ontario should buy Tesla and make it into a crown corporation. Free EV's for all!
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If the govt wants you to drive little fuel efficient cars....make every one drive a 1.5l Toyota yaris. It won't cost 3.4 billion...
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smart car is even more fuel efficient, europe have lots of those, would also make parking a lot easier around gta
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I wonder where all that money is going to come from. Oh right... From us. Wynne is clearly wynning our hearts.
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Wynne is a useless, pathetic, idiot. Forcing a market that rejects EV cars to buy them by lower rebates ignores the main point - they obviously aren't competitive or attractive enough. Why should taxpayers be offsetting these costs? She's a joke.
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^ev aren't gonna really take off till model 3 comes out en masses, although push for private ev chargers would be a good start, should get the infrastructure up before ev gets mass adoption
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divx wrote: ^liberals don't care about setting a realistic target, they won't follow through any way.
Liberals aren't quitters. They don't say that somethings not realistic and give up. They innovate to make it work.
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Sigh...you're taking a commentary as fact? Author is citing no facts or references to back up his claims that the government is going to force us to drive EVs. The original Globe and Mail article states nothing of the sort and in fact notes that the plan doesn't spell out how it can achieve this, which ruins this commentor's credibility in my eyes. Its just another I hate government rant, there are plenty of things to not like about the Ontario government but this commentary is utter trash. More than likely the EV numbers is just lip service, set a goal and have no real plan to actually achieve the stated goals...which is actually typical of Liberal governments.

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