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Your road to the RFD $250k Household Salary. The un-realistic salary discussion thread.

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Thorkell wrote: Gee, everyone and their dog heading to Texas. The Californians are headed there already, god forbid the Canadians start moving to Texas. It won't make Texas, Texas.

I don't understand why it took a panedemic for people to be obsessed with Texas.
Canadians been heading to Texas for the longest time. Most for oil type jobs. The reason for the rush for Californians, the Californians' bosses are moving operations out there. Workers been trying to score some cheap real estate before it gets too expensive. If anything, Texans hate on all these liberal hippies from California. Its gonna get ugly down there.
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Gorbers wrote: But for the money to be useful to you don’t you have to pay yourself eventually anyways? If you make 5 million as a corporation sure you pay low taxes. But then if you want to use it to say buy a house you’ll have to pay yourself first. So don’t you eventually need to pay personal income tax on all 5 million at some point anyways?
No because you will liquidate your corporation or sell the business to someone else. How do you get tax on the sale of your corporation?
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spike1128 wrote: No because you will liquidate your corporation or sell the business to someone else. How do you get tax on the sale of your corporation?
Would there really be no tax once you liquidate your corporation? That's interesting.
https://www.bdo.ca/en-ca/insights/tax/t ... -business/

I thought keeping money in the corporation was another deferral technique - not necessarily a way to eliminate it.
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TodayHello wrote: Get paid, make bank.

Does your org have ops in TX? That’s the dream ... US front office pay and low cost of living.
Yes but it's energy banking which I don't want to do and...well, it's Texas. I know there are certain hubs where people are more moderate but, you know. I think I'd do better in NYC in terms of fit and it's better for a career perspective.
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angrybanker wrote: Yes but it's energy banking which I don't want to do and...well, it's Texas. I know there are certain hubs where people are more moderate but, you know. I think I'd do better in NYC in terms of fit and it's better for a career perspective.
Good luck!
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Does anyone have any experience going from a manager role with several years experience to a director role? Are there any tips in making that jump or networking (remotely which is hard) to find the opportunities? Internally this was supposed to happen at my current workplace but due to COVID they're finding scapegoats to skirt around the promotion. I've been searching for several months and it seems as though these positions are 1) hard to come by, and 2) hard to secure. In the finance sector specifically. Culture is also a huge issue where I currently am hence the reason for searching elsewhere.
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barqers wrote: Does anyone have any experience going from a manager role with several years experience to a director role? Are there any tips in making that jump or networking (remotely which is hard) to find the opportunities? Internally this was supposed to happen at my current workplace but due to COVID they're finding scapegoats to skirt around the promotion. I've been searching for several months and it seems as though these positions are 1) hard to come by, and 2) hard to secure. In the finance sector specifically. Culture is also a huge issue where I currently am hence the reason for searching elsewhere.
Director in what specifically? FPA?

4 years from a managerial to Director sounds fair, provided you are up to date with the buzzwords they want to hear in the interview. Process improvements, ERP ninja/guru/champion etc

I know a couple of guys that became directors in their early 30s in three to four years. Real estate, and tech sector.

Before corona, a director position wouldn't have a whole lot of applicants, so even if you were a Senior Analyst, or a Manager with 1-2 years experience, you would get an interview. But now, any position, from Analyst to Director, has applicants in the hundreds.
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hi guys feel free to ask me anything at all.

I am an Associate Vice President of a digital marketing department at one of the large retailers in Canada (think Walmart/HomeDepot/Canadian Tire/Costco type retailers). I oversee a team of 30+ people and $80+ million in annual digital advertising budget. In a corporate role such as this one your base salary is typically around $170k, plus car allowance of about $10k, plus (based on performance) your bonus can be around $60k.

I've been in digital marketing for the good part of the last 15 years. I started in 2004, while in year 3 of my university studies. I had quickly decided to continue school part-time and work full time. Eventually I dropped out and never told my parents. Immigrant parents don't ask about education if you have a good job. My parents assumed I graduated while never finding it suspect than they were never invited to a graduation nor did I ever bring a diploma home. At the time nothing seemed better than having a full time job, living with your parents and smoking weed all day every day.

I got out of the field in 2008 (to give a couple other opportunities a try) but then went back again in 2010 and remained in the filed ever since. Started as a junior in 2004, from the very bottom. I started when I was 25, I am 40 now. When I went back into the field in 2010 I had to go back to the begging as a junior, my income was $45k base salary, no bonus or anything on top of it.

Over the last 10 years I've changed work place 4 times, with the sole purpose of finding a place where I can work smarter rather than harder.

I work 40-60 hrs/week depending on the seasonality and how busy retail space is at any given time.

I officially did not graduate from university until 2016 (15 years after I started university). Between 2004 and 2016 no employer had asked me to produce any official proof of post secondary education. So technically I was making $100k+ without anything beyond the high school diploma. In 2016 I applied for my first corporate job at a bank and that was the first time a workplace had asked me to produce an official proof of graduation. Before 2016, just indicating on my resume that I had a marketing degree was proof enough for employers.

By now I have interviewed and hired many people, if you have any interview specific questions feel free to ask. Feel free to ask me anything about anything, got nothing to hide, only want to help others. I've worked at vendor level, agency level, affiliate level and brand/corporate level.

My advice for anyone young and starting out in their career - do NOT stay at your first place of employment for too long. Unless you REALLY, REALLY love it. 2 years max then get out and find another place. Perspective is key in career development and finding a place that's best for you.
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TryAgain wrote: hi guys feel free to ask me anything at all.

I am an Associate Vice President of a digital marketing department at one of the large retailers in Canada (think Walmart/HomeDepot/Canadian Tire/Costco type retailers). I oversee a team of 30+ people and $80+ million in annual digital advertising budget. In a corporate role such as this one your base salary is typically around $170k, plus car allowance of about $10k, plus (based on performance) your bonus can be around $60k.

I've been in digital marketing for the good part of the last 15 years. I started in 2004, while in year 3 of my university studies. I had quickly decided to continue school part-time and work full time. Eventually I dropped out and never told my parents. Immigrant parents don't ask about education if you have a good job. My parents assumed I graduated while never finding it suspect than they were never invited to a graduation nor did I ever bring a diploma home. At the time nothing seemed better than having a full time job, living with your parents and smoking weed all day every day.

I got out of the field in 2008 (to give a couple other opportunities a try) but then went back again in 2010 and remained in the filed ever since. Started as a junior in 2004, from the very bottom. I started when I was 25, I am 40 now. When I went back into the field in 2010 I had to go back to the begging as a junior, my income was $45k base salary, no bonus or anything on top of it.

Over the last 10 years I've changed work place 4 times, with the sole purpose of finding a place where I can work smarter rather than harder.

I work 40-60 hrs/week depending on the seasonality and how busy retail space is at any given time.

I officially did not graduate from university until 2016 (15 years after I started university). Between 2004 and 2016 no employer had asked me to produce any official proof of post secondary education. So technically I was making $100k+ without anything beyond the high school diploma. In 2016 I applied for my first corporate job at a bank and that was the first time a workplace had asked me to produce an official proof of graduation. Before 2016, just indicating on my resume that I had a marketing degree was proof enough for employers.

By now I have interviewed and hired many people, if you have any interview specific questions feel free to ask. Feel free to ask me anything about anything, got nothing to hide, only want to help others. I've worked at vendor level, agency level, affiliate level and brand/corporate level.

My advice for anyone young and starting out in their career - do NOT stay at your first place of employment for too long. Unless you REALLY, REALLY love it. 2 years max then get out and find another place. Perspective is key in career development and finding a place that's best for you.
How much does your spouse make?
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TryAgain wrote: hi guys feel free to ask me anything at all.

I am an Associate Vice President of a digital marketing department at one of the large retailers in Canada (think Walmart/HomeDepot/Canadian Tire/Costco type retailers). I oversee a team of 30+ people and $80+ million in annual digital advertising budget. In a corporate role such as this one your base salary is typically around $170k, plus car allowance of about $10k, plus (based on performance) your bonus can be around $60k.

I've been in digital marketing for the good part of the last 15 years. I started in 2004, while in year 3 of my university studies. I had quickly decided to continue school part-time and work full time. Eventually I dropped out and never told my parents. Immigrant parents don't ask about education if you have a good job. My parents assumed I graduated while never finding it suspect than they were never invited to a graduation nor did I ever bring a diploma home. At the time nothing seemed better than having a full time job, living with your parents and smoking weed all day every day.

I got out of the field in 2008 (to give a couple other opportunities a try) but then went back again in 2010 and remained in the filed ever since. Started as a junior in 2004, from the very bottom. I started when I was 25, I am 40 now. When I went back into the field in 2010 I had to go back to the begging as a junior, my income was $45k base salary, no bonus or anything on top of it.

Over the last 10 years I've changed work place 4 times, with the sole purpose of finding a place where I can work smarter rather than harder.

I work 40-60 hrs/week depending on the seasonality and how busy retail space is at any given time.

I officially did not graduate from university until 2016 (15 years after I started university). Between 2004 and 2016 no employer had asked me to produce any official proof of post secondary education. So technically I was making $100k+ without anything beyond the high school diploma. In 2016 I applied for my first corporate job at a bank and that was the first time a workplace had asked me to produce an official proof of graduation. Before 2016, just indicating on my resume that I had a marketing degree was proof enough for employers.

By now I have interviewed and hired many people, if you have any interview specific questions feel free to ask. Feel free to ask me anything about anything, got nothing to hide, only want to help others. I've worked at vendor level, agency level, affiliate level and brand/corporate level.

My advice for anyone young and starting out in their career - do NOT stay at your first place of employment for too long. Unless you REALLY, REALLY love it. 2 years max then get out and find another place. Perspective is key in career development and finding a place that's best for you.
Oh ya I've got questions.. Thanks for offering! I may need to spread out these questions as I'm sure there's only so much one can ram into a post.

1.Did you take the role at the bank? Was it in a Big 5 Canadian one? If so, what role?

2. Agency people, I often wonder why they don't beg to join clients' Marketing depts (Loblaw, Bell etc). Is Agency life and $ that good? Is it a creative thing?

3. US corporate HQs such as Home Depot et al. What would be below the VP? And what salaries? Just curious what the path up to VP looks like. And beyond...at what point do you hit the ceiling here and need to go south?

4. Why did they make you start over in 2010?

5. Digital marketing...are you on the road that much? Or is the car just a perk?
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holden wrote: How much does your spouse make?
sorry that has nothing to do with what I'm saying here. you'd have to ask my spouse.
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GTA12345 wrote: Oh ya I've got questions.. Thanks for offering! I may need to spread out these questions as I'm sure there's only so much one can ram into a post.

1.Did you take the role at the bank? Was it in a Big 5 Canadian one? If so, what role?

Yes I got the job at the bank. What I learnt about corporate jobs is that it is time and money investment for them to find google people, and once they pick a person they would rather find a way to hire them (given circumstances) rather than look for another good person. I was already past the interviews and such when the bank realized I never produced a graduation document. This was discovered via background checks they conduct once they zeroed in on a candidate. They still hired me under the premise that, this is their quote "sometimes immigrants have a hard time transferring their education credentials and it's ok if it takes a bit of time for someone like me to produce official documents". Though I am an immigrant this didn't really apply to me as I had been a citizen since 1997 and had finished high school in Canada. Basically they gave themselves an excuse to not dump me and look for another person. I still had to produce the document but at that point I was already an employee. I for sure thought they would tell me to get lost. Yes it was one of the big five, one of the red ones :) job I got was Director of Digital Marketing.

2. Agency people, I often wonder why they don't beg to join clients' Marketing depts (Loblaw, Bell etc). Is Agency life and $ that good? Is it a creative thing?

Yes good question. Agency people are short sighted I believe. I spend 3 years at an agency in a Director role but I wanted to do greater things and make a real difference and make bigger salary. Agency pay isn't that great and work can be very heavy at times, specially if you are supervisor level and below. Reason people stay at agencies is because of #agencylife. It really inflates your ego and makes you feel like you are the king. You are in charge of million dollar budgets (while you don't really make that much salary yourself) and all of the vendors (Google, Facebook, Kijiji, Toronto Star, SnapChat etc etc) want a piece of that advertising budget so they do whatever it takes. For example, in my agency job I could have had breakfast, lunch and dinner taken care of by a vendor everyday of the week and on the weekends if I wanted to. Raptors games, leafs games? no problem, a vendor will take you to any game you want. Remember the NBA all star game in Toronto? I was given 3 free tickets, by different vendor reps. I didnt ask, I was approach like "hey I got these tickets do you want them?". Concerts? nooooooooo problem. Gifts? easy. Industry events? Unlimited. I've attended Sushi lunches for 4 people that were in thousands of dollars. I've been to lunches that went on for 2.5-3 hours where wine bottles alone were thousands of dollars. I'm not a drinker or heavy drug user but the two also enter the #agencylife and if you are into expensive drinks or cocaine that's also not a problem often times, you just have to "connect" with the correct vendor rep. It's really crazy, like in the movies. If you ever seen 'The Wolf of Wall Street', it's kind of like that if you want it to be. I've had people offer to pick me up in a limo and "take you anywhere you want to go", invited to private boat parties, all sorts of crazy shit that can go to a 25 year old's head very fast. (luckily I was in my 30's at the time lol).

When you are in your early 20's it's very hard to say "No" to all of those things. You tend to forget that you are just another shitty agency employee who is being used as a pawn by a vendor rep. All these reps pretend to be your best friend, when you don't know better you simply don't know better lol. All while your salary is like $38k, BUT as long as you work for an agency you can make it so that your only expense is your rent. Anything outside the home a vendor rep would pay for. I had a rep take me to a gun shooting range and he used his company card to cover the cost. Not to mention he traveled from downtown Toronto to Soutfville on a Saturday afternoon to do this for me. If you have no real friends, working for an agency is the best thing that can happen to you. You will gain "friends" almost instantly, and they wouldnt even care if your breath stinks, they are always "so happy to see you!!". All fluff all fake, but very hard for younger people to see thru.

I did what you describe. After a few years I started to beg for jobs on the client side. Agency job isnt creative at all. Everything is by process, it's an assembly line of the same over and over again, put into very pretty power point slides. There is no need for independent thinking, not what you are paid to do. Just mostly smoke and mirrors to keep milking clients for more advertising budgets. I wanted out of agency world so badly I went for a client side contract job. Took a big chance with no guarantees but it paid off, was the best thing I did for my career. .


3. US corporate HQs such as Home Depot et al. What would be below the VP? And what salaries? Just curious what the path up to VP looks like. And beyond...at what point do you hit the ceiling here and need to go south?

Below VP is either AVP or Senior Director. Base salary for AVP or Senior Director is $160-$170k, with bonus of 20-25%. VP salary is $230-$250 base with a bonus of 30% or so. Your typical corporate org structure is like this, from lowest to highest,

Coordinator: around $45k base
Specialist: around $55k base
Analyst: around $60-$65k base
Associate Manager: around $70-85k base
Manager: could be up to $120 base and 15ish% bonus
Director: closer to $130-140k base and 20ish% bonus
Senior Director/Associate Vise President: could be roughly $160-$170k base with perks like car allowance etc and 25ish% bonus
VP: $220+ base with crazy amount of paid vacation, nice car allowance and a nice bonus of like 30%+

When you get to director level and above you also receive "profit sharing" on top of your bonus, which can be as much as the bonus itself.

I had recently interviewed for a corporate VP job at Bell, with base, bonus, perks and profit sharing the total package came out to be around $350k. I told the recruiter it's not enough and never got a call back.

Keep in mind these numbers are rough but +/- $10k to those numbers and you are very close to actuals.

About your moving South question - if I didn't have two small/young kids I would have do that exactly. I recommend this to anyone who isn't married or has no children. You will make money faster, at least as a digital marketer. My first job in digital marketing was for an American company. I had seen MANY Canadian digital marketers make the move down south early in their career. Almost no one came back to Canada after that. They all did very well.


4. Why did they make you start over in 2010?

From 2004 to 2007 I worked for an American affiliate marketing network. Then I took 2 years off to do something completely different. When I decide to get back into digital marketing in 2010, the company I worked for initially no longer existed. I was applying to all of the digital marketing shops in Toronto but was having zero luck because my experience was perceived as inapplicable to what/how Toronto based digital marketing companies do and operate. I was lucky enough to have come across an individual who saw the value in my skills and made a case to the company to hire me as a junior. I took the job. The skills and knowledge I was able to obtain while working for an American company turned out to be a massive benefit to me as the American digital marketers were way ahead at the time.

5. Digital marketing...are you on the road that much? Or is the car just a perk?

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TryAgain wrote:
Great info, thanks for being so open! Digital marketing seems like anyone can learn it online. Is it still possible to get into the field and find success? If so, what are some key differentiators? Any new technologies in play that add value?
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I am a Director in finance field and can share my experience.

You need to work for a company that really values your skills in order to get a Director position.
Director position is not cheap, so no company is going to pay you unless they are convinced that you are worth it.

I was a manager before.
Company #1, i know they would never promote me from manager to Director. They seem to value my skills more after i have left as i do some contract work for them.
Company #2. Mining exploration company where finance role isn't really that important...so no room to grow here
Company #3. Complicated business model....and they value my skills, so i earn my Director position

Yes, Director opportunities are not easy to come by; at the same time, it's also hard for company to find the right Director.

The more senior you are....the longer it takes to find the right job......
When we are in school, I think there's a mis-conception that more experience = easier/faster to find a job....I think that only applies early in your career.

barqers wrote: Does anyone have any experience going from a manager role with several years experience to a director role? Are there any tips in making that jump or networking (remotely which is hard) to find the opportunities? Internally this was supposed to happen at my current workplace but due to COVID they're finding scapegoats to skirt around the promotion. I've been searching for several months and it seems as though these positions are 1) hard to come by, and 2) hard to secure. In the finance sector specifically. Culture is also a huge issue where I currently am hence the reason for searching elsewhere.
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Fantastical wrote:
The more senior you are....the longer it takes to find the right job......
When we are in school, I think there's a mis-conception that more experience = easier/faster to find a job....I think that only applies early in your career.
This is a really interesting point and I fully agree. You reach a stage where you can't just take anything.
It also applies to specialization, for lack of a better term. I am in Enterprise level technology sales. It is very well compensated, but, ending up "on the bench" for a while between roles is very common. There are only so many manufacturers/solution providers etc to go around. Once you get in the game it is like musical chairs. Somebody drops out for some reason, that opens their seat from Manufacturer A, Somebody from B is looking for something new and moves, which allows Somebody from the bench to step in to B.
Applies to more areas as well. A good friend of mine is in a highly specialized medical field. The year she finished her fellowship there was a single job opening in all of Canada. You need a hospital that has that kind of specialty and has an opening.

*Edit to provide some context. While not impossible, from my experience it is uncommon for "new" people to arrive. Generally you have people start out in some kind of inside/sale support role, there is a "pool" of people who have put their time in, and then they spend much of their career moving between the players. The number of times I run into people in their 2nd or 3rd role, or have worked with the same people multiple times at multiple companies is stunning. It actually becomes a relatively small community. Don't burn bridges and your reputation is everything.
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1theguy1 wrote: Great info, thanks for being so open! Digital marketing seems like anyone can learn it online. Is it still possible to get into the field and find success? If so, what are some key differentiators? Any new technologies in play that add value?
honestly anyone can get into it. the absolute best way to learn and be relevant in an interview is to use a bit of your own money to run some facebook and google ads, while reading the platform helpfiles. make a basic wordpress website, put Google Analytics on it and try to understand how that works and stuff. a lot of new people don't bother with any of the above, they jus get "Google Certified" or "Facebook Certified" thinking that's a differentiator, while in reality that only tells me you read some stuff and picked the right answers from multiple choice, it's something my 10 year old daughter can do. not that impressive.

if you want to be different and stand out, if you want to up your chances of getting a job in digital marketing, do what I said above and make sure it becomes apparent in your interview. You can spend $50 on facebook ads, $50 on google ads, read platform helpfiles while doing it, bring that knowledge to a job interview and you will be above the rest of the people who are "certified".


this also applies if you are well into your digital marketing career. the more things you know and can speak to the better. this has been the trick for me, when I attend job interviews for senior roles and can confidently and knowledgably talk about digital marketing topics that are not on my resume or were never my job, it tends to impress people.

There is a trick in digital marketing that 95% of people in the field don't know or realize. I say this every time someone young asks for advice - all of the different digital marketing platforms, email, ecommerce, social media, search engine marketing, display ads, programmatic media, native ads, video/YouTube, mobile ads, digital out of home - all of them are about 80-85% are the same in terms of how to work them, how they function, how they look and feel, how they report, how they optimize, how they target people, their features, functions outputs, etc. All these platforms are like vehicles. You have buses, sedans, dump trucks, sports cars, tow trucks, transport trucks, bla bla bla but at the end of the day if you know how to drive one or two of the different types of vehicles you can probably drive all/most of them. All of the key components required to get a vehicle from point A to point B are pretty much the same. You have engine, fuel, transmission, gas pedal, brake pedal (maybe clutch pedal), turn signals, brake lights. Digital marketing platforms are like that as well - you load an ad in the platform, you enter your budget, you enter the time frame through out which you want your ad shown, you pick some targeting parameters (show my ad only 3 times a day, only to people in Toronto and only between the hours of 9am and 9pm, for example) and you press GO. The only difference is how the ad looks (size, shape, ad copy) and where it shows up (someone's inbox, social media feed, inside an app, on a website, on youtube). The steps required to get any ad to any place are, like I said, 80-85% the same across most, if not all, digital marketing platforms.

There are a lot of people in digital marketing who only know, do and stick to one thing. Some of these people become the best at that one thing, which is good. However, it is more beneficial to be good at multiple things than being the best at one thing. One of the things I look at when hiring people is how many different things do they know how to do? Like, if you are the best most amazing social media marketer but you have zero skills in anything else, this is not as good as you being a good social media marketer, a good google ads marketer and a decent media strategist, for example. This of course can depend on the workplace and hiring manager, but this is how I structure my teams.
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Fantastical wrote: You need to work for a company that really values your skills in order to get a Director position.
Director position is not cheap, so no company is going to pay you unless they are convinced that you are worth it.
Depends on department and bank. I had a stint at CIBC and the amount of Directors they have with no people reporting to them was astounding (especially the lack talent/skill level they had). The entire credit card business line were full of SM's with Director titles. IMO going from SM to Director is more luck based than being convinced you are worth it. Majority of banks prefer to hire internally for director especially on process heavy roles, and its usually just a next-in-line routine.

Just my experience with the Big5.
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Anyone see a problem with the subject of this thread?

Here, I'll bold it: Your road to the RFD $250k Household Salary. The un-realistic salary discussion thread.

Talk about a fixed mindset. If one looks at this topic and says $250K household salary is unrealistic, then one has already lost the war. IMHO many professions eventually lead to an individual salary >= this amount so I don't know why people seem to think that's a large amount for a household salary. Sure, it doesn't specify downtown Toronto versus Fredericton but I think most of us are living in dense urban centers.

$250K is, heck, even achievable with 2 employees of government living in the same household. It's, really, not a lot of money.
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Totally possible,

I started at 45k, wife @ 30k.

Fast forward 5 years, we are at 130k + 110k. Hard work and dedication, late nights (Some 24 hour days) , totally worth it at the end.

Both of us are millennials, never used social media, university grads. Couple of my classmates are doing much better then we are, they graduated top of the class...

But yes, at the end of the day, after taxes, it is not as much as it seems..
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i am 32 and making ~$120K base + $15K bonus working as an FP&A manager. I have an MBA and a CPA so those credentials definitely helped

My spouse is in a similar salary range, and she is manager for data and analytics, so hitting that $250K ish mark, and she has a bachelor in engineering, and did not do further grad school

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