Buying 2021 Sienna LE hybrid with 210,000km -$30,000 Good buy or no?

go for it! YOLO!!!

Personally, I wouldn't touch it. It's a fleet vehicle so been used as a workhorse and has been driven hard although it looks looked like it's been maintained. It's also 4-5 years old at this point and you're paying 60% of a brand new one. Depends on how desperate you are I guess. I would check for rust, especially the rear cable (cablegate).

if it was a shuttle vehicle- good chance it was idling lots waiting for clients/warming up etc so engine use would be higher than the mileage shown.

You know, it's situations like this where the dealer just receives a phone call on the thing with 210k kms on it for $30k that they justify asking that much money. My 2012 RX that I bought for $25k last July with 53k on it was driven a quarter of this service van lol.

Will you take the car to an indy for comprehensive ppi ? Averaging 50,000km+ per yr is a lot of abuse and wear. Asking $30k

Can’t really talk sense into Canadians about their love for Toyotas. I think the scarcity of newer Siennas only adds to the “must have” aura.

I plan to start taking my 2011 Sienna to car shows in the GTA. Maybe I’ll see some RFD bros there. Say hi!

Jonathanl10 wrote: ↑ You know, it's situations like this where the dealer just receives a phone call on the thing with 210k kms on it for $30k that they justify asking that much money. My 2012 RX that I bought for $25k last July with 53k on it was driven a quarter of this service van lol.

And 3 times older than the vehicle OP is looking at.
Not exactly a good comparison.

cartfan123 wrote: ↑
I plan to start taking my 2011 Sienna to car shows in the GTA. Maybe I’ll see some RFD bros there. Say hi!

Or maybe OP will take it off your hands for 20k

Unfortunately that is the Sienna pricing these days.

I’ve seen a Indy dealer listed similar for a bit more a few months ago and it sold anyways. So pricing it’s where it should be.

If a Taxi, Uber, Delivery person needs a van I can see why they’d considered this if they need it right away

Price is fine, a brand new LE is over $50k since you have to play the mandatory dealer addon game.

I'd ask for (and probably pay) for a hybrid system scan/diagnostics, the salesman will BS you saying the van was looked over and looks good, but unless he has proof he's just doing salesman bs.

Are you capable of doing your own maintenance? As in wheel bearings, CV axles, control arms, take half the car apart to change a sensor. If not, are you ready to potentially drop $4000 when you bring it to a shop to get those items done?

Brand new Sienna Hybrid listed for $51,165
Shop around a bit and go out of town if needed.

https://www.cargurus.ca/Cars/inventoryl ... =410836770

seems to retain value very well.
I have 170K on mine. Used for work and it's pretty good at it but not super refined or comfortable.

210 K and $30K?

LOL.

Toyota crack is whack !

For Toyota hybrids, definitely patience is key, whether buying new or used.

Probably set up an alert on autotrader.

If it followed Toyota service intervals, probably should have been serviced thrice a year, at least once every 16,000 km.

A friend decided new since like others have said, one or two year old selling for just 10% lower lol.

Almost no personal vehicle over 200,000kms should ever cost more than $30k

2021 will have 10-year or 240,000 km warranty on the battery. I would still get an independent inspection since the vehicle would be outside of the rest of the factory warranties.

These Siennas are used as taxis and as Uber/Lyft vehicles. One I took a ride in last year from the airport had over 300,000 km on it. Can't remember if it was a 2021 or 2022. Driver said he had a previous generation Sienna with the V6 and it had over 600,000 km on it.

They seem to be able to go the distance when properly maintained. I wonder what the cosmetics are like. Typically I see these shuttle vans being driven around by older semi-retired men, at least in my experience.

goodzyk wrote: ↑ if it was a shuttle vehicle- good chance it was idling lots waiting for clients/warming up etc so engine use would be higher than the mileage shown.

It is a hybrid. Engine does not run continuously and turns off when stopped or idling for as long as possible.

wow, thanks for all the feedbacks!
I have looked at sold prices over past 6 months, and have seen high milage (over 170k) sell over 40k multiple times. And we all know brand new Sienna (whenever available) are marked up $5-15k over MSRP. Waiting for brand new order is atleast 8-12 months wait.

1) In this case since it was dealer owned, regularly used & serviced, thought these three factors are positives for a hyrbid (as opposite rules apply to hybrid than traditional cars, more use is better than less use?).
To use extreme examples:
Ex. Buying 5 year old hybrid with 20,000 KM vs. 3 year old with 150,000 - Generally, the 150k is favored as hybrid require regular use to maintain battery heath/hybrid system (not very extreme of course, which is what I wans't sure 200k is considered extreme, as this may fall in that).

2) Depending on the use, even if it was low milage, all it takes is someone who doesnt do proper maintenance to kill the hybrid system (Ex. hybrid battery filter not being changed is #1 cause of issues for hybrid vehicles). So i'd have more questions/concerns if buying private or random dealers, or even Toyota with traded in cars, since we dont know how well it was maintained. In this case since it was regularly serviced, hope is it was maintained well.

3) Editing in this point now - Siennas are 80-90+% used by Taxies/Ubers/Wheel-Trans (as they have modified accessibility vehicles) and known to run well over 600,000 KMs (or any hybrid for that matter, ex. Camery) - but i'm not sure how much problems/spending they do to get up there. Also an engineer who worked on modifying/making major structural changes (to accessbility features) said these are built like a tank.

So just wanted to add these thoughts... as it seems feedback is mixed. Thanks again for everyone's input!

coolintheshade wrote: ↑ Or maybe OP will take it off your hands for 20k

lol, previously i was looking at 2016 model, which an SE model sold for $28,000 at Orangeville toyota. (about 80,000 km).
Others in this year sold about 23-26,000 at Toyota dealers. Private market is about 18-20k. LE trim sometimes 14-15k, or even higher.
Reminder 2016 is non-hybrid, so 2x gas consumption if driving local. Based on my use/gas consumption, i save about $1,500 / year in gas savings, so getting higher milage, lower price, sort of works in this favor in getting a hyrbid minus added repair costs due to the higher milage, which is what I was hoping to get more feedback on others who have high milage Toyota hybrid cars here.