New Ontario law allows less pay for overtime

Apr 3rd, 2019 10:15 am

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hightech [OP]: Deal Expert; Dec 23, 2003; 15142 posts; 3491 upvotes; Toronto

Apr 3rd, 2019 10:15 am

New Ontario law allows less pay for overtime

Getting overtime for extra hours worked will now be fewer thanks to Mr. Ford:

https://spon.ca/new-ontario-law-allows- ... 019/04/02/

For example, an employee who works 30 hours in weeks one and two and 60 hours in weeks three and four would normally be entitled to 32 hours of overtime pay that month. With the month-long averaging agreements that Bill 66 allows, they would get just four hours of overtime pay.

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Apr 3rd, 2019 10:30 am

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nx6288: Deal Addict; Jul 29, 2006; 4140 posts; 964 upvotes

Apr 3rd, 2019 10:30 am

open for business

Apr 3rd, 2019 10:41 am

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vkizzle: Deal Expert; Aug 22, 2011; 35514 posts; 21563 upvotes; Center of Universe

Apr 3rd, 2019 10:41 am

What's overtime pay?

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Apr 3rd, 2019 10:48 am

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fusion2k2k: Deal Addict; Apr 6, 2008; 1807 posts; 1152 upvotes

Apr 3rd, 2019 10:48 am

It is still possible for your employer to accept the "old way" of calculating overtime as it's better then the new rules. If your employer adopts the new rules, just don't work overtime. If you rely on overtime pay to pay your bills, then I guess you have to work it on a consistent basis every week.

Apr 3rd, 2019 11:25 am

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kcorscadden: Deal Addict; Aug 15, 2006; 3619 posts; 704 upvotes; Kingston

Apr 3rd, 2019 11:25 am

vkizzle wrote: ↑ What's overtime pay?

LMAO, exactly...... OT pay doesn't exist in my line of work.

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Apr 3rd, 2019 12:39 pm

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Raggie: Deal Fanatic; Jul 29, 2005; 8655 posts; 2576 upvotes; Mississauga

Apr 3rd, 2019 12:39 pm

kcorscadden wrote: ↑ LMAO, exactly...... OT pay doesn't exist in my line of work.

Same. I have to work this Sunday and I'm not getting paid for it.

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Apr 3rd, 2019 1:09 pm

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winner2000: Deal Addict; Feb 7, 2006; 2274 posts; 858 upvotes

Apr 3rd, 2019 1:09 pm

LOL

Hard to drum up sympathy for those affected by this, given many of us are on salary and constantly/consistently work overtime on a regular basis without any extra $$ to compensate........

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Apr 3rd, 2019 1:11 pm

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apnayloags: Deal Fanatic; Nov 13, 2010; 7010 posts; 1362 upvotes; Scarborough

Apr 3rd, 2019 1:11 pm

When people keep working overtime without pay, ofcourse the greedy corps will take advantage. Too many company slaves in canada

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Apr 3rd, 2019 2:51 pm

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OldMarriedGuy: Deal Addict; Sep 22, 2013; 2285 posts; 1432 upvotes

Apr 3rd, 2019 2:51 pm

Lucky for those that are covered by collective agreements.

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Apr 3rd, 2019 3:02 pm

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vkizzle: Deal Expert; Aug 22, 2011; 35514 posts; 21563 upvotes; Center of Universe

Apr 3rd, 2019 3:02 pm

apnayloags wrote: ↑ When people keep working overtime without pay, ofcourse the greedy corps will take advantage. Too many company slaves in canada

Yeah, kind of hard to walk out of a meeting because "time's up" or tell the customer to cut it short because I have to go home.

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Apr 3rd, 2019 3:14 pm

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LeisureSuitL: Deal Addict; Jul 30, 2010; 2994 posts; 339 upvotes

Apr 3rd, 2019 3:14 pm

apnayloags wrote: ↑ When people keep working overtime without pay, ofcourse the greedy corps will take advantage. Too many company slaves in canada

When you get to certain pay levels, extra hours are expected if that's what it takes to get the job done. That's how you make over $100K with no overtime pay (extra hours are probably worked but not paid for).

NDP made changes to our laws in Alberta that caused my overtime pay to disappear, so I got more stock options instead. It's a wash.

Get a 100K job to sometimes work OT for free, or work for 50K a year and get overtime paid for every hour worked? Hmm...tough choice.

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Apr 3rd, 2019 3:25 pm

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jaguaar: Banned; Jan 20, 2017; 584 posts; 145 upvotes

Apr 3rd, 2019 3:25 pm

There is a considerable population that counts on OT to pay bills. Lets not just look at "my" situation, the world is much bigger than "me"
The pity is many of those who will be affected by such decisions are the ones who voted for such government. Long live democrazy.

Apr 3rd, 2019 3:35 pm

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vkizzle: Deal Expert; Aug 22, 2011; 35514 posts; 21563 upvotes; Center of Universe

Apr 3rd, 2019 3:35 pm

jaguaar wrote: ↑ There is a considerable population that counts on OT to pay bills. Lets not just look at "my" situation, the world is much bigger than "me"
The pity is many of those who will be affected by such decisions are the ones who voted for such government. Long live democrazy.

OT is never guaranteed.
One should budget accordingly.

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Apr 3rd, 2019 5:20 pm

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OldMarriedGuy: Deal Addict; Sep 22, 2013; 2285 posts; 1432 upvotes

Apr 3rd, 2019 5:20 pm

LeisureSuitL wrote: ↑ When you get to certain pay levels, extra hours are expected if that's what it takes to get the job done. That's how you make over $100K with no overtime pay (extra hours are probably worked but not paid for).

NDP made changes to our laws in Alberta that caused my overtime pay to disappear, so I got more stock options instead. It's a wash.

Get a 100K job to sometimes work OT for free, or work for 50K a year and get overtime paid for every hour worked? Hmm...tough choice.

You’d have to work a LOT of OT on a 50k salary to comeeven close to $100k.

Apr 3rd, 2019 5:47 pm

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LeisureSuitL: Deal Addict; Jul 30, 2010; 2994 posts; 339 upvotes

Apr 3rd, 2019 5:47 pm

OldMarriedGuy wrote: ↑ You’d have to work a LOT of OT on a 50k salary to comeeven close to $100k.

I think that was my point. For the most part, the only way to get to a six figure job is one where OT is not paid, and extra hours are expected when they are necessary.

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Apr 3rd, 2019 5:49 pm

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spike1128: Deal Fanatic; Oct 7, 2010; 9843 posts; 1770 upvotes

Apr 3rd, 2019 5:49 pm

hightech wrote: ↑ Getting overtime for extra hours worked will now be fewer thanks to Mr. Ford:

https://spon.ca/new-ontario-law-allows- ... 019/04/02/

For example, an employee who works 30 hours in weeks one and two and 60 hours in weeks three and four would normally be entitled to 32 hours of overtime pay that month. With the month-long averaging agreements that Bill 66 allows, they would get just four hours of overtime pay.

Dushbag companies already do average. I will ask my boss to eat 3 meals during breakfast and not eat for the rest of the day. So technically company can ask me to do ridiculous hours 1 week and don't come to work the following week. No thanks.

Apr 4th, 2019 12:00 pm

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medic1: Newbie; Mar 4, 2007; 53 posts; 6 upvotes

Apr 4th, 2019 12:00 pm

You guys forget there are a lots of jobs out there in health care and social services that have 24/7 coverage. The employees arent just gonna work for free after hours when they are in the job for 12 hours already. They need incentive to come in.

Apr 4th, 2019 12:02 pm

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M1K3Z0R: Deal Fanatic; May 11, 2009; 5665 posts; 2243 upvotes; Debtario

Apr 4th, 2019 12:02 pm

Open for BUSINESSES!

We'll see so many jobs created once Ford abolishes minimum wage. Low cost beer, low tax, low wages, HOW LOW CAN WE GO?

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Apr 4th, 2019 12:06 pm

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divx: Deal Expert; Oct 26, 2003; 35042 posts; 4288 upvotes; Winnipeg

Apr 4th, 2019 12:06 pm

LeisureSuitL wrote: ↑ When you get to certain pay levels, extra hours are expected if that's what it takes to get the job done. That's how you make over $100K with no overtime pay (extra hours are probably worked but not paid for).

NDP made changes to our laws in Alberta that caused my overtime pay to disappear, so I got more stock options instead. It's a wash.

Get a 100K job to sometimes work OT for free, or work for 50K a year and get overtime paid for every hour worked? Hmm...tough choice.

I would accept OT work for free if it is not regular and I get 100k+ salary.

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Apr 4th, 2019 12:07 pm

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divx: Deal Expert; Oct 26, 2003; 35042 posts; 4288 upvotes; Winnipeg

Apr 4th, 2019 12:07 pm

medic1 wrote: ↑ You guys forget there are a lots of jobs out there in health care and social services that have 24/7 coverage. The employees arent just gonna work for free after hours when they are in the job for 12 hours already. They need incentive to come in.

Pretty sure it is against the law to force employee work OT.

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