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How to calculate return on Mutual Funds …? And get out of them .

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How to calculate return on Mutual Funds …? And get out of them .

Investment in IG for 15 years in RRSP/ TFSA - value today 80k initial investment 15 years back was 34 k . What is yearly return .?
Also if I want to get out of this are there fees or fines if I want to take funds to other institutions into RRSP/TFSA.
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5.87% annualized, you've been had! You can check their documents for terms and conditions and their fees. We won't know, only you know that...By comparison, here's the S&P500 (Vanguard): VFV:

https://www.vanguard.ca/en/product/etf/ ... -index-etf

17% annually since 2012 inception

You should have $223k with the S&P500 for the past 12 at least. 17% for the whole 15 years would be $360k

Calculator to find yield from value
http://www.moneychimp.com/calculator/di ... ulator.htm

Calculator to find future value from yield
https://www.getsmarteraboutmoney.ca/cal ... alculator/

Brutality, that's ok man, I F'ed around with options/CFDs/FOREX etc...I had the same amount if not more back then. We all screw up somehow...Man, I should have a million+ now ugh...
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Total value of your investment:
$358,316.53

Total interest earned:
$324,316.53

Your initial investment of $34,000.00 plus your yearly investment of $0.00 at an annualized interest rate of 17% will be worth $358,316.53 after 15 years when compounded yearly.
That's why I always tell people, spend a weekend or a few to learn about finance, it can literally cut decades of work off your life.

17% is unusual btw, it's normally 10%'ish. So future is going to most likely suck. We're all going to have the same expected low returns going forward.
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Mastero wrote: Investment in IG for 15 years in RRSP/ TFSA - value today 80k initial investment 15 years back was 34 k . What is yearly return .?
Also if I want to get out of this are there fees or fines if I want to take funds to other institutions into RRSP/TFSA.
Don't you get reports/statements every year? or Every quarter? Have you called IG to see what are the charges for termination? You should know what you signed or right? Why you need RFD to tell what you have and should do? This is very confusing when you are asking what is yearly return.
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FestivusMiracle wrote: 5.87% annualized, you've been had! You can check their documents for terms and conditions and their fees. We won't know, only you know that...By comparison, here's the S&P500 (Vanguard): VFV:

https://www.vanguard.ca/en/product/etf/ ... -index-etf

17% annually since 2012 inception

You should have $223k with the S&P500 for the past 12 at least. 17% for the whole 15 years would be $360k

Calculator to find yield from value
http://www.moneychimp.com/calculator/di ... ulator.htm

Calculator to find future value from yield
https://www.getsmarteraboutmoney.ca/cal ... alculator/

Brutality, that's ok man, I F'ed around with options/CFDs/FOREX etc...I had the same amount if not more back then. We all screw up somehow...Man, I should have a million+ now ugh...



That's why I always tell people, spend a weekend or a few to learn about finance, it can literally cut decades of work off your life.

17% is unusual btw, it's normally 10%'ish. So future is going to most likely suck. We're all going to have the same expected low returns going forward.
are you including all distributions for all the years or just the total value changes?
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ml88888888 wrote: are you including all distributions for all the years or just the total value changes?
Just value changes, or whatever Vanguard lists in its returns for its CAGR

Oooff, that'd be even worse if you include distributions (assuming they're not included in the return figures)
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FestivusMiracle wrote: Just value changes, or whatever Vanguard lists in its returns for its CAGR

Oooff, that'd be even worse if you include distributions (assuming they're not included in the return figures)
When calculating cap. gain/loss, you have to include all distributions received during the holding period, otherwise you will report too much gain & pay double tax for the distributions.
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ml88888888 wrote: When calculating cap. gain/loss, you have to include all distributions received during the holding period, otherwise you will report too much gain & pay double tax for the distributions.
Damn, I use HXS and never have to think about that...But this dude is in TFSA/RRSP, so not as dire.
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FestivusMiracle wrote: Damn, I use HXS and never have to think about that...But this dude is in TFSA/RRSP, so not as dire.
ok, since TFSA/RRSP are registered accts, then no need to add distributions since no yearly tax payable on distributions. So it is 5.87% annualized(compounded).
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ml88888888 wrote: ok, since TFSA/RRSP are registered accts, then no need to add distributions since no yearly tax payable on distributions. So it is 5.87% annualized(compounded).
He did get hosed right eh? Yeah, a lot of my stuff are in TFSA/RRSP/LIRAs as well...Hey, if we get annexed, will that stuff transfer over?

I keep HXS in taxable to keep life simple for now.
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Cost to get out of mutual funds is usually referred to as Deferred Sales Charge or Back End Load. IG was one of the worst for back end loads combined with high MERs, and one of the last companies to stop enforcing a back end load.

Most common is a 7-year declining fee schedule. If you sell within a year, there is a 7% fee deducted when you sell, declining to 0% after 7 years. That is an example of a common fee. When you initially purchased the funds there should have been an agreement that specified what the fees are. If you don't have that you would have to contact IG to determine if there any fees.

If you purchased 15 years ago and have not added anything since, you are probably well past the imposition of any back end load, but only IG knows for sure. If you contact them, be prepared for the hard sell to get you to stay. Confused Face
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Damn, backend load sounds like financial grape...I guess that's why they called it that. I've never taken a backend load and never will. Makes 0 sense. Loads were before my time. Pretty nutty how these were even allowed.

Glad Blackrock/Vanguard and Questrade/Wealthsimple came in to kill these practices via competition.
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FestivusMiracle wrote: 5.87% annualized, you've been had! You can check their documents for terms and conditions and their fees. We won't know, only you know that...By comparison, here's the S&P500 (Vanguard): VFV:

https://www.vanguard.ca/en/product/etf/ ... -index-etf

17% annually since 2012 inception

You should have $223k with the S&P500 for the past 12 at least. 17% for the whole 15 years would be $360k

Calculator to find yield from value
http://www.moneychimp.com/calculator/di ... ulator.htm

Calculator to find future value from yield
https://www.getsmarteraboutmoney.ca/cal ... alculator/

Brutality, that's ok man, I F'ed around with options/CFDs/FOREX etc...I had the same amount if not more back then. We all screw up somehow...Man, I should have a million+ now ugh...



That's why I always tell people, spend a weekend or a few to learn about finance, it can literally cut decades of work off your life.

17% is unusual btw, it's normally 10%'ish. So future is going to most likely suck. We're all going to have the same expected low returns going forward.
What if the investment was a conservative 60/40 fund? It is not fair to compare to the S&P 500 without knowing the constitution of the investment.
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will888 wrote: What if the investment was a conservative 60/40 fund? It is not fair to compare to the S&P 500 without knowing the constitution of the investment.
I was thinking that too when I posted that, wonder if I forgot to insert the sentence about that or deleted it.
To me though, I figured IG = hosed =/. Heard lotsa bad things about them over the years.
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FestivusMiracle wrote: I was thinking that too when I posted that, wonder if I forgot to insert the sentence about that or deleted it.
To me though, I figured IG = hosed =/. Heard lotsa bad things about them over the years.
I tend to agree that mutual fund fees are high and going back far enough there were back end loads to make things even worse. There some, not many mutual funds that are exceptional in terms of having competitive fees.
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BiegeToyota wrote: I did worse on my condo
Real estate only goes lower left upper right with no reversions or at least that is what the real estate forum folks say.
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BiegeToyota wrote: I did worse on my condo
You kept it? Hey, can live in 'em and rent 'em out though, unlike stawks.
Canadian real estate def doesn't look attractive these days. But where else can we put our cuckbuck? It'll just devalue. Stocks, real estate/REITs (not Canada lol), gold...what other assets?
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FestivusMiracle wrote: You kept it? Hey, can live in 'em and rent 'em out though, unlike stawks.
Canadian real estate def doesn't look attractive these days. But where else can we put our cuckbuck? It'll just devalue. Stocks, real estate/REITs (not Canada lol), gold...what other assets?
Condo fees and taxes will kill Canada real estate, just like Florida.

My friend in Serbia pays 20 euros a month in maintenance fees and no tax on 400k Euro condo
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BiegeToyota wrote: Condo fees and taxes will kill Canada real estate, just like Florida.

My friend in Serbia pays 20 euros a month in maintenance fees and no tax on 400k Euro condo
400k sounds like a lot in Serbia, but I guess your point is that it's such a low maintenance fee on such an expensive condo. Crazy, no property tax, haven't heard of that. Looks like Yugoslavia is moving far away from Statism lol...Lot of bad history there and to the East I guess.
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Mastero wrote: Investment in IG for 15 years in RRSP/ TFSA - value today 80k initial investment 15 years back was 34 k . What is yearly return .?
Also if I want to get out of this are there fees or fines if I want to take funds to other institutions into RRSP/TFSA.
Where are you waldo? I mean Mastero? so whats happening? any updates?
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